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Rob Balsamo



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

siddhartha wrote:
Rob Balsamo wrote:
Still waiting for the quote at P4T which created this thread.


Trying reading THIS slowly, moron:

siddhartha wrote:
The "source" for the quote in the headline is in the video in the original post. In the video John Lear represents himself as a member of Pilots for 9/11 Truth and he says that no planes were involved on 9/11. The source for the other information about Lear is very easy to find for anyone with an IQ above room temperature.


And clearly you ignored my reply... but thanks for the personal attack! Good stuff.

Dont worry sidd, you'll never be in a LearJet... a household name... nor will you ever be able to quote your fabricated topic of this thread coming from http://pilotsfor911truth.org.

Your agenda is clear.. as is the agenda of this forum... just by scrolling through the forum sections as compared to this thread alone.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Balsamo wrote:
siddhartha wrote:
Is that it? Some tepid nitpicking about Lear


... and who started this thread under false statements?

(You're lucky you are small time, otherwise the full wrath of P4T core member list would come down on you for libel.. you just aint worth the cash, and we have bigger fish to fry.. such as govt agencies who release data which doesnt support the govt story.. perhaps you're attempting a diversion from that?)



OMG. Listen to the tough talk.

They'll do bugger all. I'll explain later. Cool

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siddhartha



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Balsamo wrote:
...and if you give me your name.. we'll make sure you take the train... as pilots like us arent very "bright".


Yes, I'm sure you would love to try to cause problems in my personal life. That's what intelligent, concerned citizens do when they have a disagreement. Right, Rob?
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Rob Balsamo



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

truthmover wrote:
To me, your intent to disrupt this conversation with irrational drivel signifies that you feel threatened by what we are saying.


and yet you still have to source your claims...

Again.. anyone willing to actually debate/discuss our work.. feel free to email us with contact info... expect the recorder rolling when we call... we will use our real names...

Although, if reading this forum is any indication, i dont suspect any one person from here will step up....

Instead... they will remain posting unsourced claims to less than 9 people lurking per day...lol

Ok folks.. enjoy your day...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dont worry sidd, you'll never be in a LearJet.


Mwaahhhaaaahhaaahahahahaha!!!!

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Rob Balsamo



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

siddhartha wrote:
Rob Balsamo wrote:
...and if you give me your name.. we'll make sure you take the train... as pilots like us arent very "bright".


Yes, I'm sure you would love to try to cause problems in my personal life. That's what intelligent, concerned citizens do when they have a disagreement. Right, Rob?


lol... yeah.. my focus in life is to make your life miserable...

Who started this thread? When? When did i sign up?

Dude.. i didnt even know who you were till today... dont flatter yourself...

ok.. im out.

Edit - NOTICE - To reduce confusion, This thread was split from here...

http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3528

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:23 am    Post subject: Re: Rob Balsamo responds to concerns about John Lear Reply with quote

Mr. Balsamo, as long as you're here, I'm curious as to why you're organization has not publicized info re:

1) NORAD's mission- for decades prior to 9/11- of sovereignty over North American air space

2) Failure of the chain of command in the FAA to notify the NMCC of each confirmed air emergency, then each confirmed hijacking- it seems some ATCs and CPCs and supervisors were doing their job- and Herndon, WOC and the military liaisons dropped the ball.

3) Failure of the NMCC to be involved in setting ANY of the scramble orders in motion during the crisis involving the 4 hijacked flights, by passing orders on to NORAD

4) Failure of NORAD/NEADS to get the Otis scrambled jets- and the Otis jets that took off on a routine training mission around the same time- over Manhattan before UA 175 arrived.

5) The 'phantom' AA 11

6) Failure of DCANG to protect the nation's capital- nearly an HOUR after the first tower was hit- and an HOUR AND A HALF after the first sign of hijacking- which came AFTER a 'summer of threat', which included a PDB that warned of 'preparations consistent with hijacking' and 'surveillance of federal buildings in New York' and noted 70 bin Laden-related FBI field investigations

7) the fact that fighters from Langley were sent out over the Atlantic and after a 'phantom' AA 11, and were unavailable to to respond to AA 77, or defend the nation's capital

Given the relevant experience of your members, I find it very curious these important issues have not been addressed in any substantive way in all the years of P4T's existence- your org seems to be almost entirely focused on WHAT did or did not HIT the Pentagon.

I took a look to see if perhaps your "current work involves" these things:

Rob Balsamo wrote:
For those interested in what our current work involves...
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=17681


but instead I found:

Rob Balsamo wrote:


QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Jul 21 2009, 06:33 PM)
[truthaction]OMG, BUT AREN'T YOU GUYS NO PLANUHZ?![/truthaction]


[Nico] OMG, but P4T are such Plane Huggas![/Nico]

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Rancho,

Your concerns seem highly specialised in ATC and closely related topics.

Have you emailed Pilots For 9/11 Truth with your concerns?

But to perhaps answer some of your questions...


Quote:
Interview With Air Force Fighter Pilot
06/23/07

Lt. Co. Guy Razer, member Pilotsfor911truth.org interviewed regarding Sept 11, 2001 NORAD response, Defense protocol, and personal experiences. 29:45
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darn, I never got to ask him about the DCA runway 15 flight approach.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajfrost wrote:
By the way.. Rob Balsamo was banned here


yep he was

trolls who come here and launch wholesale attacks on the site never last very long

ajfrost wrote:
and his signature changed by mods


He kept asking for sources about John Lear so i thought putting Lear's site in his sig might help the poor guy out.

ajfrost wrote:
demand source for the claims made on this forum


There's a lot of things on the internet, but one thing there isn't is a lack of source material about what a QUACK John Lear is. But since you and Rob are demanding more I'll be happy to cut and paste lots of it for you... sometime in the future... when I'm bored
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

truebeleaguer wrote:
Darn, I never got to ask him about the DCA runway 15 flight approach.


You can ask him at his website
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Rancho Truth



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajfrost wrote:
By the way.. Rob Balsamo was banned here and his signature changed by mods to imply a signature posted by Rob Balsamo.


Hi ajfrost- not sure what you're saying above; are you saying the 'Rob Balsamo' who posted in this thread is not the P4T Balsamo? The quote i quoted is from P4T

ajfrost wrote:

Quote:
06/23/07
Lt. Co. Guy Razer, member Pilotsfor911truth.org interviewed regarding Sept 11, 2001 NORAD response, Defense protocol, and personal experiences. 29:45


Scroll down on their latest news page.. its there...
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/latestnews.html


I have not contacted P4T- it was more of an observation I thought worth making, than a 'concern'- when 'Rob Balsamo' popped up here, I thought I'd call people's attention to the omission, and see if he'd respond.

So- the only info/discussion of the issues I noted is one interview, from 2007? And yet so many articles and films have been devoted to the question of what hit the Pentagon- bizarre.

And that the interview is w/ Razer, a guy whose past and behavior has provided fodder for JREF and Screw Loose (see first pg of a google for "guy razer" and "9/11"), inspires zero confidence as well.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rancho Truth wrote:
And that the interview is w/ Razer, a guy whose past and behavior has provided fodder for JREF and Screw Loose (see first pg of a google for "guy razer" and "9/11"), inspires zero confidence as well.


wow... just wow... keeps getting better and better with these guys
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm really kind of amazed by Balsamo's behavior here. He seemed nearly irrational. He wasn't successful at making anyone here look bad or even frustrating any of us. He didn't really make any coherent point. More than anything it was just a momentary distraction.

Now, would anyone like to argue that this behavior is irrelevant? Anyone want to suggest that I should ignore what just happened because the facts, if any, that Balsamo promotes, are what is most important? Anyone want to argue that credibility and maturity and rationality should be off the table?

Because in my eyes, this behavior seriously calls into question the intentions of Balsamo and the judgment of those who would choose to closely associate with him.
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