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dicktater
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 Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:03 am Post subject: DRG - The Mysterious Collapse of WTC Seven |
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The Mysterious Collapse of WTC Seven
Why NIST’s Final 9/11 Report is Unscientific and False
by Prof. David Ray Griffin
Global Research, September 14, 2009
Clicky, clicky!!!!!!!
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=GRI20090914&articleId=15201
Spoiler alert!
Conclusion
The 9/11 Truth Movement has long considered the collapse of Building 7 to be the Achilles’ heel of the official story about 9/11 – the part of this story that, by being most vulnerable, could be used to bring down the whole body of lies.
My latest book, The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7: Why the Final Official Report about 9/11 Is Unscientific and False, shows that the official account of this building is indeed extremely vulnerable to critique – so vulnerable that, to see the falsity of this account, you need only to read NIST’s attempt to defend it, noting the obvious lies in NIST’s report and its violations of basic principles of physics.
I hope that my book will indeed help bring down that body of lies that some of us call the Bush-Cheney conspiracy theory, according to which al-Qaeda hijackers, by flying planes into two buildings of the World Trade Center, brought down three of them – an obviously false conspiracy theory that is still being used, among other things, to kill women, children, and other innocent people in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7: Why the Final Official Report about 9/11 Is Unscientific and False
http://www.amazon.com/Mysterious-Collapse-World-Trade-Center/dp/1566567866
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chrisc
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| Quote: | 32. Quoted in Christopher Bollyn, “Professor Says ‘Cutter Charges’ Brought Down WTC Buildings,” American Free Press.net, May 1 & 8, 2006
(http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/cutter_charges_brought_down_wt.html). |
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Rancho Truth
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:11 am Post subject: |
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only takes one turd to ruin a bowl of punch- and even a fake plastic turd will scare off some guests - DRG's endnotes 32 and 37 reference the Bullyn article
DRG's consistent citation of racists and kooks (and promo of '757 didn't hit the Pentagon' and voicemorphing) are why i don't link to or reference him anymore.
a user by the name of brianct is pushing 'the Jews did 9/11' meme on this thread over at 911blogger
http://www.911blogger.com/node/21332
brianct is claiming the issue is censored in the 9/11 truth movement (no, it's been covered, and nothing 'new' has come up- but shills are actively looking for any excuse they can to portray the 9/11 Truth Movement as 'anti-semitic', and some people are inclined to give them fodder)
ct is also claiming that people downvoting his repugnant comments is 'censorship' (no, it's simply disapproval- there's a show/hide button, hidden comments attract attention and the mods are very, very tolerant)
i've run into brianct over there when he was pushing the '757 didn't hit' 'theory'
(i'm loose nuke over there)
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victronix01
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| Every book also has no planes. Every one that I've looked at. I don't think a single book doesn't have it. Maybe this one will break that cycle, but I can't imagine a mention won't be in there . . . |
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Rancho Truth
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| victronix01 wrote: | | Every book also has no planes. Every one that I've looked at. I don't think a single book doesn't have it. Maybe this one will break that cycle, but I can't imagine a mention won't be in there . . . |
Wouldn't be a stretch in this book about WTC 7; 'NO PLANE' HIT WTC 7 !!!
(rim shot/cym crash)
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Jon Gold
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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I'm done with 911blogger.com. No moderation, no banning of obvious trolls, etc... I am never posting there again. I will stick to my site, and do my own thing. Unless another 9/11 Truth site opens. It's a fucking shame. I'm sure that will make A LOT of trolls happy.
Yea, you've heard me say it before... but I'm done. Way to go Justin for fucking up the most popular 9/11 Truth site.
I may take a break altogether. Lord knows I've earned it, and the racism and bigotry that is focusing on me has taken its toll. |
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Rancho Truth
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Jon Gold wrote: | | I'm done with 911blogger.com. No moderation, no banning of obvious trolls, etc... I am never posting there again.... I'm sure that will make A LOT of trolls happy. |
Why make 'trolls' happy- why let them succeed?
Don't participate in comment threads if you don't want to- but what's wrong with taking a minute to submit important info for the innocent and sincere long-time and new users?
This thread over at at 911blogger was being polluted primarily by brianct, who, in addition to promoting the repugnant and discrediting 'The Jews did 9/11' meme, also made a number of false statements which deflected from discussion of DRG's 'wisdom' in consistently citing the work of racist holocaust deniers like Bollyn, including in his latest article and probably the book, which i won't be buying. For instance, brianct's charge that you and 911blogger are trying to censor evidence of Israelis being involved in 9/11, when both you and 911blogger have covered these issues.
brianct's comments were voted down by a number of users. While i support TruthAction and TruthMove's policy of quickly deleting and banning disruptive and deceptive users like brianct, i'm not convinced it's a total disaster at 911blogger; giving trolls rope exposes and documents their behavior in a permanent record for the public to see and learn from. The downvoting shows that the 911blogger user base is aware of what's going on and doesn't approve.
I'm still pondering the lessons from this latest episode, which is similar in ways to some of what was happening on that 350 comment thread about 'what' hit the Pentagon. I am interested in hearing other views about how the 9/11 Truth Movement can neutralize and move beyond conscious or unconscious efforts to disrupt/distract/divide/discredit.
Might be good to engage Justin, Orangutan, Reprehensor in a dialogue and get their views on record as to the direction 911blogger's heading, with the extremely 'liberal' mod policy.
Also- anyone- please post links here related to dealing with disruption
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dicktater
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| Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| Jon Gold wrote: | I'm done with 911blogger.com. No moderation, no banning of obvious trolls, etc... I am never posting there again. I will stick to my site, and do my own thing. Unless another 9/11 Truth site opens. It's a fucking shame. I'm sure that will make A LOT of trolls happy.
Yea, you've heard me say it before... but I'm done. Way to go Justin for fucking up the most popular 9/11 Truth site.
I may take a break altogether. Lord knows I've earned it, and the racism and bigotry that is focusing on me has taken its toll. |
I know how ya feel man. I'm quittin' the disco. My nineteen button shirts don't fit no more. Hell, I'm almost forty-three.
Tryin' to pass for eighteen
Is a tough thing to do
You can't make it in the disco
When you're forty-two
I've been looking for love
In every disco in town
My wig is gettin' shaky
My truss is slippin' down
My wig fell off
Hand my toupee to me
I'm quittin' the disco
I'm almost forty-three
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Jon Gold
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WOW!!! In a million years, I would have NEVER thought I would see something like this...
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2009/09/grifter-continues-digging.html
Never in a million years. Such a surprise. CLEARLY Dr. Griffin would be as shocked as I am if he saw this...
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Jon Gold
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| Rancho Truth wrote: | | Jon Gold wrote: | | I'm done with 911blogger.com. No moderation, no banning of obvious trolls, etc... I am never posting there again.... I'm sure that will make A LOT of trolls happy. |
Why make 'trolls' happy- why let them succeed?
Don't participate in comment threads if you don't want to- but what's wrong with taking a minute to submit important info for the innocent and sincere long-time and new users?
This thread over at at 911blogger was being polluted primarily by brianct, who, in addition to promoting the repugnant and discrediting 'The Jews did 9/11' meme, also made a number of false statements which deflected from discussion of DRG's 'wisdom' in consistently citing the work of racist holocaust deniers like Bollyn, including in his latest article and probably the book, which i won't be buying. For instance, brianct's charge that you and 911blogger are trying to censor evidence of Israelis being involved in 9/11, when both you and 911blogger have covered these issues.
brianct's comments were voted down by a number of users. While i support TruthAction and TruthMove's policy of quickly deleting and banning disruptive and deceptive users like brianct, i'm not convinced it's a total disaster at 911blogger; giving trolls rope exposes and documents their behavior in a permanent record for the public to see and learn from. The downvoting shows that the 911blogger user base is aware of what's going on and doesn't approve.
I'm still pondering the lessons from this latest episode, which is similar in ways to some of what was happening on that 350 comment thread about 'what' hit the Pentagon. I am interested in hearing other views about how the 9/11 Truth Movement can neutralize and move beyond conscious or unconscious efforts to disrupt/distract/divide/discredit.
Might be good to engage Justin, Orangutan, Reprehensor in a dialogue and get their views on record as to the direction 911blogger's heading, with the extremely 'liberal' mod policy.
Also- anyone- please post links here related to dealing with disruption |
I offered to buy 911blogger.com from Justin, but he's not selling. That site has gone to shit in a matter of months. |
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zombie bill hicks
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Yea, I miss Rep being over there 
From SLC:
| Quote: | | Has Griffin ever published anything that didn't include neo-Nazis or Holocaust Deniers as a source? |
Good question. |
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Jon Gold
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| zombie bill hicks wrote: | Yea, I miss Rep being over there
From SLC:
| Quote: | | Has Griffin ever published anything that didn't include neo-Nazis or Holocaust Deniers as a source? |
Good question. |
The answer is not so good. What is he thinking? Is he thinking? He's not a dumb man. He's a professor emeritus. Why then the idiocy? And why did he treat me like an idiot by trying to act as though he doesn't know what Bollyn is about? |
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victronix01
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| Quote: | | Why then the idiocy? |
I think he feels that it's important to keep crediting certain people, no matter what they are saying.
For example, when the Popular Mechanics piece came out and there was a lot of hype about it, he continuously referred to Serendipity's response to Popular Mechanics right alongside Jim H's response, even though the Serendipity version included a claim that real planes didn't hit the WTC. The response on Serendipity says this:
| Quote: | Leonard Spencer has shown that one of the photos which appears in this FEMA report is a fake.
As regards the point about "the trajectory of the fragments ... as they tore through the South Tower, exited from the building's north side and fell from the sky", producing "aircraft debris", it is interesting to examine the actual video evidence of that event. Leonard Spencer has done this and after considering the evidence writes:
I would suggest that the object that emerged from the NE corner of the South Tower was in fact a canister containing items of appropriate 'debris', which was propelled from the building to lend credence to the notion that a regular passenger jet hit WTC 2. And if this canister did not originate from the plane we must conclude that it was already planted in the corner section of the tower before the attack, to be fired out at the requisite moment. That it was a pre-planted device is strongly suggested both by its pristine condition when it emerges and its exit from the exact corner of the building. — What Hit WTC2? Another Look at the Second Plane |
Thanks to Griffin, when you google "popular mechanics" and 9/11, this comes up first.
He was told repeatedly.
My personal feeling is that he wanted a version that included no plane at the Pentagon, and this was the only one, so no matter what other nonsense it had, he was going to keep it.
In Debunking 911 Debunking he includes Bollyn in his chapter on Popular Mechanics, how Bollyn unearthed that Benjamin Chertoff was the cousin of Homeland Security head Michael Chertoff. I guess that was worth it. |
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truebeleaguer
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| Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Griffin's stubborn adherence to bullshit like Barrett, Bollyn, and CIT is troubling. Did anybody try to talk to him when he was in Oakland? |
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911TNL
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| Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Jon Gold wrote: | | zombie bill hicks wrote: | Yea, I miss Rep being over there
From SLC:
| Quote: | | Has Griffin ever published anything that didn't include neo-Nazis or Holocaust Deniers as a source? |
Good question. |
The answer is not so good. What is he thinking? |
Another good question. This is just stupid. What happened to lead with the best evidence and sources? |
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