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The Kennebunkport Warning: A Hoax?
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Winter



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:18 am    Post subject: Forgive me for barging in ... Reply with quote

Forgive me for barging in ... all new and all, and with a somewhat contrary opinion ... but as an anti-war and 9/11-truth type I can't help feeling let down by nearly everybody involved here.

The putative intention behind the Warning was two-fold: to unify the anti-war and 9/11-truth crowds into a single "movement", and to publicize the danger we face to such an extent that those who would attack us think twice before they do it.

I support both "missions".

Unfortunately, as I see it, they have both been bungled (or sabotaged) from all sides.

Among the things that trouble me:

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Why is the anti-war movement in the hands of people who cannot write the words false-flag terror without enclosing them in quotes?


And there's a lot more here ... if you're interested:
The Kennebunkport Train Wreck: Leadership? What Leadership?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Latest on the Kennebunkport Warning Controversy
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/09/latest-on-kennebunkport-warning.html

I’d like to give thanks to YT, JoanJones, and Col. Jenny Sparks, for their efforts and collaboration in discovering the truth about this affair.

I would also like to officially apologize for the actions of "supposed" members of the 9/11 truth movement. In fact, Col. Jenny Sparks has written an apology to Cindy Sheehan and the anti-war activists and I heartily endorse it. I commend the courage of the anti-war activists and strongly support their aims to end pointless and destructive wars. I thank them for their statement of support for 9/11 activists despite the shameful accusations and insults from the Kennebunkport Warning promoters.

In an update on the controversy, we have more inflammatory and divisive comments from Webster Tarpley:

"Most of the comments concerning the Kennebunkport Warning have avoided the main issue."

"Adults Are Responsible For What They Sign"

"If you choose that cop-out, what kind of a peace leader are you?"

"They knew exactly what they were signing and, if they deny it, they are unfortunately lying. Anyone who talks of forgery or trickery in gathering these signatures is compounding that lying with slander."

The strange insinuation that the Kennebunkport Warning is the main concern is frequently heard from those pushing it; but it is a deliberate evasion. The main issue is the fact that non-9/11 activists are being attacked. This is a black and white issue that does not require speculation about what did and did not happen.

Yes, "adults are responsible for what they sign,", but they are also responsible for what they say. What kind of 9/11 truth "leader" attacks non-9/11 truth activists as "liars" and "wretched individuals"? Certainly not one that I will support.

Webster Tarpley has quite a conspiracy theory about these anti-war activists. Not only did these anti-war activists claim they didn't sign the document--they had the exact same story about what they DID sign--a resolution involving impeachment. Think about that for a minute. Did these signers all decide to join together, deny signing the document, and then come up with the exact same story about what they did sign? This conspiracy theory on its face seems very implausible.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:29 am    Post subject: but, Reply with quote

You must admit that if Tarpley et al are telling the truth, they have been attacked, albeit in a more passively aggressive way. And with the insinuations of the truther investigation team, the attacks have been compounded.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YT wrote:
That's a beautiful, wonderfully articulate and much-needed letter, Jenny.

Thank you.


You're welcome.

And here's their response:

From: info@xxxx
To: col_jennysparks@xxxx
Subject: RE: Our apologies from the 9/11 Truth Movement
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:01:47 -0400

Dear Col. Sparks--
I thank you for your efforts to find the truth. I've checked the
internet on the "Warning" from time to time and found your honest posts
there; so I'm grateful for your efforts to get information from the
"wretched liars'" mouth, if you will. Smile

I've watched several documentaries on 9/11, and I support the honorable
efforts of the 9/11 truth movement. I believe our work is synergistic
in the struggle for justice.

In solidarity,
Dahlia
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:03 am    Post subject: good communication Reply with quote

I appreciate your strong efforts at communicating and keeping the channels open. Are you personally reaching out to Tarpley et al as well. Most all of us want no part of divisiveness inter and intra movement, and yet neither do most of us want our back "gotten" by those who don't really have it. We all know that's very dangerous.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dahila is a woman of pure class Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: good communication Reply with quote

Shumonik wrote:
I appreciate your strong efforts at communicating and keeping the channels open. Are you personally reaching out to Tarpley et al as well.


In my first email here:

http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5627#5627

His address is replaced with "tarpley@xxxx". And he's said bugger all. You count the days, chum...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject: Don't take it personally Reply with quote

Col. Jenny Sparks wrote:
Shumonik wrote:
Are you personally reaching out to Tarpley et al as well.


In my first email here:

http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5627#5627

His address is replaced with "tarpley@xxxx". And he's said bugger all. You count the days, chum...


Don't take it personally, Jenny. You're not the only one who can't get an answer. If you Google "Tarpley email", don't be surprised if you find a lot of stuff like "I sent Tarpley some email but I never heard from him".

You've set me off on a little rant -- sorry!

I can't tell you how many emails I have sent to Bruce Marshall over the past several days, virtually begging for somebody to post something that might conceivably be considered "Massive Evidence", before he finally posted a compilation of news articles on his website -- yesterday -- and it's a bloody MS-DOC file! Thanks a lot, folks! Ever hear of HTML? It would be a lot easier to disseminate the "Massive Evidence" if it were more net-compatible. But no ...

And then! Then!! [Stop me if you've heard this one already] The first article in the compilation was a diary from Daily Kos that has been retracted.

Forget about whether the story was true or not. Apparently it wasn't. But even if it was ...

Do you mean to tell me any competent researcher would open his presentation with an uncorroborated item from a blog? Let alone that blog!!

Meanwhile Tarpley has a website that he never updates; every now and then he posts an article someplace like Portland IndyMedia -- which allows anyone to post anything under any name whatsoever (they don't even ask you to create an account) -- so it's virtually impossible to verify the source of anything there ... and he writes these over-the-top statements with no links and lots of speculation ...

Personally, I agree with most of the thinking behind the Kennebunkport Warning, but I would not have signed it. In my opinion it says things which may or not be true and which are clearly unprovable! How could he possibly think he could unite a movement behind such an outrageously speculative text?

Webster Tarpley would be one of the first to say that when evidence of "incompetence" piles up beyond a certain limit, it becomes reasonable to start thinking of "sabotage". I wonder if he ever envisioned that argument being used against him personally...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:18 pm    Post subject: CREDIBILITY Reply with quote

One of the most distressing things for me during the past week or ten days has been the number of anti-war / 9/11-truth folks who have been saying (or hinting)
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This destroys our credibility
It's absolutely untrue. Nothing somebody else says can damage your credibility.

A lot of people have been demoralized for nothing.

We always say "guilt by association" when they use that tactic on us.

We simply cannot use it against ourselves.

This is just my opinion of course but you are morally and ethically obliged to share it. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was answering a question. What makes you think I'm taking it personally? Confused

Fact is seems he's started this rubbish--so he's responsible for sorting it. Dropping the ball he is--if we Craig and Brucie can respond, however inadequetly, so can Webbie. Or one of his people. He's a public figure with public responsibilities, so he needs to get snappy--or we WILL keep his good research, DUMP HIM, and MOVE ON.

Now why don't you be useful and help us hunt down that impeachment resolution they say they did sign? Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:07 am    Post subject: MAJOR FIND: THREE more "Warners" tied to LaRouche Reply with quote

Updated and Revised

What does the Green Party have to do with the warning? Marshall and Hill are both associated, and it appears McKinley may be interested in this party.

Who is Craig Hill? He has ties to LaRouche and DEW promotion. Here are some articles on him:

Subject: PRESS RELEASE: CRAIG HILL TO SPEAK ON GOVERNMENT COMPLICITY IN 9/11 ATTACKS

Montpelier, Vermont activist and researcher Craig Hill is to speak
at a free film screening at UVM demonstrating visual evidence
of government complicity in the 9/11 attacks of 2001.
http://vtcommons.org/node/371

U.S. House candidate Craig Hill: Advice for 9/11 truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5l_HKbx3b0

http://www.boston911truth.org/announce-web.html
Running 9/11 Truth candidates for office
Impeachment and 9/11
Craig Hill (VT-GP)
Bruce Marshall (VT-GP)

Craig Hill
Green Party Candidate for US Senate from Vermont
The only candidate for federal office whose campaign exposes visual evidence disproving the official conspiracy theory of 9/11.
http://www.hillsenatenow.org/

Webster Tarpley says:
"We will support candidates of any party or of no party who embrace 9/11 truth. We will focus national attention on key candidacies like those of Carol Brouillet for Congress in California, Bob Bowman for Congress in Florida, Craig Hill in Vermont, and others. We also wish to direct international attention to the candidacy of Irish 9/11 truth movement leader Morgan Stack to the Dail (Parliament of the Republic of Ireland) for the district of Cork South Central."
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20060629.htm

This previous article is interesting because it is another resolution, and it involves some of the key figures in the The Kennebunkport Warning.

Craig Hill is a member of Pilots for 9/11 Truth:
Craig Hill
Post Solo Student Pilot
Ran as 9/11 Truth candidate for US Senate for Vermont in 2004 and 2006.
Producer of "Treason Inc"
Founder of the Green Party of Vermont
Helped organize four 9/11 Truth candidates appearing on statewide ballot in Vermont in 2006
Appeared on many televised debates promoting 9/11awareness
Public Appearances -
-C-SPAN2, Called for the arrest and removal of Bush, Cheney and much of DC for treason
-Spoken on 9/11 panels and podiums in many venues around the country, from NYC on several occasions
-9/11 Boston Tea Party at historic Faneuil Hall
-The Alex Jones-organized 9/11 event in LA
-The 2006 event in Chicago
Currently organizing impeachment drives in Vt and around the country to broaden 9/11 awareness and surreptitiously expose the perps in proposed congressional hearings in 2007.
http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

On Sunday morning, dc911truth.org will host... Craig Hill, Green Party candidate for Senate from Vermont, and Webster Trapley.
http://www.truthmove.org/announcements/

The Vermont 9/11 Panel
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/020307Panel.htm
Craig Hill especially does not beat around the bushes, and puts into words eloquently, but forcefully, what many of us feel.

Craig Hill, according to the real Green Party in Vermont, is a fraud. He's posing as a Green, but he's really a LaRouchie.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=171132&mesg_id=171135

Important Notice [note: this seems to indicate that Craig Hill is involved in a fake green party]
This Burlington Green Party is the legal town committee of the Vermont Green Party which is an affiliate of the Green Party of the United States. You may confirm this fact with the Vermont Secretary of State at 802-828-0771. Please regard an "official" site... to be a fraudulent representation of the Lyndon LaRouche cult leader Craig Hill from Montpelier.
http://www.burlingtongreenparty.org/

Is this green party fake? On the pilots for 9/11 truth forum, his info claims he was a "founder" of the green party
http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

More Larouche? Laurie Dobson

The following LaRouche Democratic Candidates also participated:
Nancy Spannaus, Democrat running as an Independent for US Senate in Virginia;
Laurie Dobson, Democratic candidate for State Representative in Connecticut's 141st District;
http://larouchein2004.net/pages/interviews/2002/021019larshow.htm (currently not working)
http://www.larouchepub.com/eirtoc/2002/eirtoc_2942.html

Laurie Dobson AND Craig hill have BOTH speculated that the anti-war activists are "fearful". Dobson claims to be an "eyewitness" to the affair--see her comments here:

"Based on emails I have received, it is obvious to me that the big name people are afraid, but I believe that they should not defame those who asked them to sign the petition."
http://www.911blogger.com/node/10997
and here:

"After seeing this petition/statement posted on the internet, a few of the signers became afraid that they would be 'wearing orange jumpsuits' because they signed the petition. I think they are being told that they will be targeted if they don't recant. This is unfortunate and unnecessary.... Nevertheless, those who are accusing the petition bearers of falsifying the documents are acting dishonorably, considering their leadership positions, and they should heed the many requests to retract and/or modify their bald-faced assertion that these were not the original documents."
http://www.911blogger.com/node/11055?page=1#comment-159820

From 911blogger:
"Can anyone explain why Bruce Marshall made reference to, or rather quoted, Lyndon LaRouche, the nutty fascist? That bit about "Westphalia" is LaRouche-talk! What the hell?"
http://www.911blogger.com/node/4203#comment-85360

Kelly opened the event by introducing Bruce Marshall, who had put the group in touch with the LaRouche campaign.
http://www.middleburycampus.com/news/2003/11/20/News/Larouche.Visit.Sparks.Political.Dialogue-563153.shtml

Webster Tarpley:

In 1986 Tarpley ran for the U.S. Senate on the platform of Lyndon LaRouche,[1] and was a frequent host of "The LaRouche Connection" described as "a news and information cable television program produced by" LaRouche's Executive Intelligence Review News Service.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster_Tarpley
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:45 am    Post subject: Re: MAJOR FIND: THREE more "Warners" tied to LaRou Reply with quote

Arabesque wrote:
Cynthia McKinley... is it true she has shown interest in joining the Green Party?


-- check this out:
http://www.counterpunch.org/frank09032007.html

The funny thing is, I could have sworn that when I first read that article, it mentioned McKinney was considering running for prresident of the USA on the Green ticket. This issue is somewhat delicate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_McKinney#2008_Green_Party_speculation
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:06 pm    Post subject: Re: MAJOR FIND: THREE more "Warners" tied to LaRou Reply with quote

Arabesque wrote:
Laurie Dobson, Democratic candidate for State Representative in Connecticut's 141st District;
http://larouchein2004.net/pages/interviews/2002/021019larshow.htm (currently not working)
http://www.larouchepub.com/eirtoc/2002/eirtoc_2942.html


OK, so that's FOUR primary promoters of the KW with Larouche connections. The plot thickens...

I recommend saving pages and getting screenshots.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: MAJOR FIND: THREE more "Warners" tied to LaRou Reply with quote

JoanJones wrote:
Arabesque wrote:
Laurie Dobson, Democratic candidate for State Representative in Connecticut's 141st District;
http://larouchein2004.net/pages/interviews/2002/021019larshow.htm (currently not working)
http://www.larouchepub.com/eirtoc/2002/eirtoc_2942.html


OK, so that's FOUR primary promoters of the KW with Larouche connections. The plot thickens...

I recommend saving pages and getting screenshots.


Question #1: How many other signers are affiliated with Larouche?

Question #2: Is Craig Hill's Green Party fake? A Green website claims it is.
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