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Hocus Locus
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In bit of a funk because Hocus Locus was not mentioned. Or was it??
| Hocus Locus wrote: | | Tarpley quoted by Jon Gold at 911blogger.com wrote: | Please get organizations from the peace, impeachment, anti-globalization, 9/11 truth, and other movements, as well as high-profile personalities, celbrities, etc., to endorse, support, distribute, and publicize the Kennebunkport Warning. Some of the signers, under the obvious threats of totalitarian forces, are lying in appalling fashion about what they signed and if they signed. You can see for yourself from the facsimile who signed. We need to move beyond these wretched individuals to build support for this mobilization alert as we enter a very dangerous weekend. Please make a special effort to gather support.
Webster Tarpley |
Did Tarpley really write this? If he did -- it is written like an insensitive, deliberately irresponsible tinfoil disinfo thug who is undergoing timed demolition charges, self-immolation of credibility. |
I stand by my (circumstantial, psychological, subjective) analysis, and invite Mr. Tarpley to set it all to rights, in direct 'real people' mode -- preferably in a manner that does not merely serve to underscore the analysis itself.
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"It's crashing. It's crashing terrible. Oh, my...get out of the way, please. It's bursting into flames. And it's falling on the mooring mast. All the folks agree this is terrible, one of the worst catastrophes on the world. Oh, the flames, four or five hundred feet into the sky...! It's a terrific crash ladies and gentlemen. The smoke and the flames now and the frame is crashing to the ground, not quite to the mooring mast... Oh, the humanity...! and all the passengers...!"
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CV
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Partial transcript of the 9/06/07 broadcast of The Genesis World Report with Webster Tarpley.
Original audio: http://www.nw0.info/files/Radio/The%20Genesis%20World%20Report/2007/September/gwr32k_2007-09-06.mp3
My emphasis in bold.
| Quote: | | [~21:30] TARPLEY: And to the many snipers and carpers we say if you don't like our antiwar initiative, come up with one of your own. [...] But you can't fight something with nothing, so too bad for a lot of the carping critics. |
| Quote: | | [~25:20] TARPLEY: This person [military woman on aircraft carrier who detailed preparations for the apparently imminent attack on Iran] has been forced to recant. That is to say, to rescind their remarks, to take them back, to remove the posting, to retract, to recant, to defect, to remove the posting. Sound familiar? Does it remind you of four signatories of the Kennebunkport warning who signed it and then claimed they didn't sign it, and even accused the promoters of having forged their names on something they didn't sign? It's part of the pattern. |
| Quote: | [~1:10:20] TARPLEY: Who opposes the Kennebunkport warning? We discovered going through this that if you take all the slanderous filth, counter-organizing, disinformation and so forth, about two-thirds of it comes from about half a dozen people as far as I can see. And let's tell you who they are. First of all, you have to look at the site called truthaction.org. As far as I can see about two-thirds of the site appears to be devoted to slanders and vilification of the Kennebunkport Warning. This shows what one can only call the typical style of the counter-gang. In other words it takes elements from lots of people's work including my own. They talk about truth squads, they have a candidate tracker, they talk about a general strike, they take things from Ron Paul, they take things from We Are Change, but then they mix in a huge dose of anonymous slander, vilification, denigration, calumny, libel, and defamation. The leading poison pen seems to be an individual called Cosmos. Now this I think is extremely objectionable. Here is somebody who will not tell you his real name but he demands the right to be a poison pen. Anonymous slanders are his stock and trade. He wants to slander you and vilify you from the shadows, spread disinformation, distortions. These are the venom-mongers, the merchants of pus who like to operate from behind the scenes. These are the wreckers and saboteurs, and of course the question is posed: Is this COINTELPRO? Is this the conform of the FBI counter-gang? Those are interesting questions. I can't answer them, but they are very interesting.
Then we have somebody else called Colonel Jenny Sparks in quotation marks. She shows herself as a cartoon figure prancing in an abbreviated costume before the Union Jack. Another poison pen slanderer, another wrecker and saboteur. The only questions we have are, is this COINTELPRO, is this the current style of the FBI counter-gang?
So here we have Cosmos who shows you he looks like he's trying to imitate Che Guavara or a member of the Sons of David baseball team. He's hiding behind a huge beard, looks like the Italian aviators in A Night at the Opera. He's got this army fatigue cap pulled down over his eyes so you can't see him, he might as well be anonymous. Jenny Sparks completely anonymous.
Michael Wolsey, Visibility 9/11. He appears of course in shades, he's got some cool shades on, he doesnt want you to see him. Remember visibility911.com is not the same as 911visibility.org. 911visibility.org is a reputable website, you have Janice Matthews and many others who work there. This is visibility911.com with Michael Wolsey.
Another person who has been active in these slander operations is somebody called Arabesque. Arabesque has a blog devoted to discussing 9/11 news research and disinformation, and I think the disinformation department is absolutely admirable. He seems to have all the disinformation you could want. He's pushing it and peddling it on this sleazy, smelly website. So thats arabesque911.blogspot.com.
The interesting thing about these people is that they all appear in the year 2006, 2007. What's their track record in the 9/11 truth movement? Do they have any? Do they have contributions? Have they done anything to build the movement? Who are they? They come out of nowhere and then they set themselves up as leaders. Cosmos in particular starts saying that it's time for everybody to get active on the eleventh on every month. Well we don't need him to tell us this and to take credit for it.
I'm afraid also Jon Gold is somebody who has been in the movement, puts his blog at Arabesque and he has joined in the slanders.
These people have practiced a constructive fraud on public opinion. I think they operate with multiple pseudonyms. We do not know who they are. Colonel Jenny Sparks for all we know may be a cigar-chomping FBI agent or a branch of Shin Bet somewhere in the Occupied Territories or a subcommittee of the National Security Council. We simply do not know.
Colonel Jenny Sparks appears with no face. Arabesque has no face. Cosmos has got the cap pulled down over his eyes. Michael Wolsey's got his shades on. These are the poison pens and the slander snipers and these are the people you have to watch out for.
And I think it is monstrous that a lot of people who have been in the 9/11 movement and have seen COINTELPRO in action in past years are now willing to go down this road once again with disinformation, distortion and the constant mania of people who insist on operating under false names, anonymous slanderers. It's a despicable way to wage political activity. |
In the last 25 minutes, Webster repeats much of the above to his guests. Not going to transcribe it but it is worth listening to, especially when Craig Hill attacks Reprehensor and 911blogger.
Check out the thread The Kennebunkport Warning: A Hoax?, especially Arabesque's post about the KW defenders' ties (especially Tarpley) to Lyndon LaRouche.
I smell a LaRouche plot to hijack the 9/11 truth movement by allying Tarpley and his acolytes with the Fetzer/Barrett/Haupt crowd, marginalizing the real activists, and attempting to position Tarpley -- formerly LaRouche's right-hand man and possibly the 85-year-old LaRouche's chosen successor -- as the next "leader" of the truth movement.
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Rowan Berkeley
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| "merchants of pus"? thats a new one |
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Arabesque
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Scott N
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Stunning. I'm speechless. Well not really but you get the point.
Here's Tarpley elsewhere:
"In our movement there has to be a sphere of theoretical discussion, which has to be done in a business-like and respectful manner, without slander, without defamation, without ad hominem attacks on every page."
Presumably this does not apply to Uncle Fetzer and his partner-in-character-assassination Judy Wood, two individuals who have devoted 99% of their time engaging in ad hom (and countless other logical fallacies) against Steven Jones and other scientists who don't subscribe to silly conjecture involving space beams/related quackery. Nor does it include Nico Haupt, who (again) has spent the vast majority of his time attacking other researchers who think his "no planes" theory is patently absurd, which of course it is. Disrupting 911 meetings and pasting pictures of feces on Church Walls is fine, questioning the legitimacy of a highly dubious document linked to Larouchian cult members = moles!
Tarpley and his junior bobblehead Abrahamson are only too happy to give these kooks airtime and invite them into the "big tent" for the purpose of some nebulous LaRouchian "unity" (unity under what, or whom? ...one might ask) -- in the process discrediting (or attempting to discredit) real scientists with real questions and real answers. But when it comes to the single most visible individual in the anti-war movement -- Cindy Sheehan -- who (by sheer coincidence) recently voiced her support of the 911 truth movement -- she's a "wretched liar". She has no place in the kooky space beam carnival of 911 truth.
So on the one hand we have the sage Tarpley urging unity and an end to ad hom, and on the other:
"So here we have Cosmos who shows you he looks like he's trying to imitate Che Guavara or a member of the Sons of David baseball team. He's hiding behind a huge beard, looks like the Italian aviators in A Night at the Opera. He's got this army fatigue cap pulled down over his eyes so you can't see him, he might as well be anonymous. Jenny Sparks completely anonymous."
So the fact that Cosmos has a beard is indicative of sinister intent? He wants to hide his true, sinister goals behind a fluff of facial hair? Did I just wake up in a Eugenics convention circa 1903? "Look at the shape of that guy's cranium. He's obviously a lazy, mongoloid degenerate who wants to rape our wives. He might even be Jewish, or worse, Italian."
What else we got here?
Michael Wolsey wearing sunglasses. Are you fucking serious?
Arabesque's "smelly" website. Again: are - you - fucking - serious?
"Colonel Jenny Sparks for all we know may be a cigar-chomping FBI agent or a branch of Shin Bet somewhere in the Occupied Territories or a subcommitee of the National Security Council."
Actually this is true. I hate to say it but Tarpley's right on this score. Jenny does love her cigars, and frequently "chomps" on them in a manner most uncouth.
Kidding Jenny 
Here's a funny quote:
"The interesting thing about these people is that they all appear in the year 2006, 2007."
Um no, I've known Cosmos since 2002 when he used to post on GNN. He has always spoken out in favor of 911 truth, as have I, as has (presumably) everyone here and on blogger since we first learned that the official story was a crock.
We just don't appreciate demolishing bridges to our natural allies in the peace movement.
"Have they done anything to build the movement?"
I'll let this quote speak for itself.
Tarpley has utterly disgraced himself with this tirade. I'm frankly embarassed for him. |
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Scott N
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| Oh and thanks very much CV for the transcription. I really didn't feel like listening to the whole thing. |
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Rowan Berkeley
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| He says he has a problem with Jenny "prancing in front of the Union Jack". However, he never saw the very fetching photos of Jenny showing off her biceps to promote the David Ray Griffin book on 911Blogger. |
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Dem Bruce Lee Stylez!
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| CV wrote: | Partial transcript of the 9/06/07 broadcast of The Genesis World Report with Webster Tarpley.
Original audio: http://www.nw0.info/files/Radio/The%20Genesis%20World%20Report/2007/September/gwr32k_2007-09-06.mp3
My emphasis in bold.
| Quote: | | [~21:30] TARPLEY: And to the many snipers and carpers we say if you don't like our antiwar initiative, come up with one of your own. [...] But you can't fight something with nothing, so too bad for a lot of the carping critics. |
| Quote: | | [~25:20] TARPLEY: This person [military woman on aircraft carrier who detailed preparations for the apparently imminent attack on Iran] has been forced to recant. That is to say, to rescind their remarks, to take them back, to remove the posting, to retract, to recant, to defect, to remove the posting. Sound familiar? Does it remind you of four signatories of the Kennebunkport warning who signed it and then claimed they didn't sign it, and even accused the promoters of having forged their names on something they didn't sign? It's part of the pattern. |
| Quote: | [~1:10:20] TARPLEY: Who opposes the Kennebunkport warning? We discovered going through this that if you take all the slanderous filth, counter-organizing, disinformation and so forth, about two-thirds of it comes from about half a dozen people as far as I can see. And let's tell you who they are. First of all, you have to look at the site called truthaction.org. As far as I can see about two-thirds of the site appears to be devoted to slanders and vilification of the Kennebunkport Warning. This shows what one can only call the typical style of the counter-gang. In other words it takes elements from lots of people's work including my own. They talk about truth squads, they have a candidate tracker, they talk about a general strike, they take things from Ron Paul, they take things from We Are Change, but then they mix in a huge dose of anonymous slander, vilification, denigration, calumny, libel, and defamation. The leading poison pen seems to be an individual called Cosmos. Now this I think is extremely objectionable. Here is somebody who will not tell you his real name but he demands the right to be a poison pen. Anonymous slanders are his stock and trade. He wants to slander you and vilify you from the shadows, spread disinformation, distortions. These are the venom-mongers, the merchants of pus who like to operate from behind the scenes. These are the wreckers and saboteurs, and of course the question is posed: Is this COINTELPRO? Is this the conform of the FBI counter-gang? Those are interesting questions. I can't answer them, but they are very interesting.
Then we have somebody else called Colonel Jenny Sparks in quotation marks. She shows herself as a cartoon figure prancing in an abbreviated costume before the Union Jack. Another poison pen slanderer, another wrecker and saboteur. The only questions we have are, is this COINTELPRO, is this the current style of the FBI counter-gang?
So here we have Cosmos who shows you he looks like he's trying to imitate Che Guavara or a member of the Sons of David baseball team. He's hiding behind a huge beard, looks like the Italian aviators in A Night at the Opera. He's got this army fatigue cap pulled down over his eyes so you can't see him, he might as well be anonymous. Jenny Sparks completely anonymous.
Michael Wolsey, Visibility 9/11. He appears of course in shades, he's got some cool shades on, he doesnt want you to see him. Remember visibility911.com is not the same as 911visibility.org. 911visibility.org is a reputable website, you have Janice Matthews and many others who work there. This is visibility911.com with Michael Wolsey.
Another person who has been active in these slander operations is somebody called Arabesque. Arabesque has a blog devoted to discussing 9/11 news research and disinformation, and I think the disinformation department is absolutely admirable. He seems to have all the disinformation you could want. He's pushing it and peddling it on this sleazy, smelly website. So thats arabesque911.blogspot.com.
The interesting thing about these people is that they all appear in the year 2006, 2007. What's their track record in the 9/11 truth movement? Do they have any? Do they have contributions? Have they done anything to build the movement? Who are they? They come out of nowhere and then they set themselves up as leaders. Cosmos in particular starts saying that it's time for everybody to get active on the eleventh on every month. Well we don't need him to tell us this and to take credit for it.
I'm afraid also Jon Gold is somebody who has been in the movement, puts his blog at Arabesque and he has joined in the slanders.
These people have practiced a constructive fraud on public opinion. I think they operate with multiple pseudonyms. We do not know who they are. Colonel Jenny Sparks for all we know may be a cigar-chomping FBI agent or a branch of Shin Bet somewhere in the Occupied Territories or a subcommittee of the National Security Council. We simply do not know.
Colonel Jenny Sparks appears with no face. Arabesque has no face. Cosmos has got the cap pulled down over his eyes. Michael Wolsey's got his shades on. These are the poison pens and the slander snipers and these are the people you have to watch out for.
And I think it is monstrous that a lot of people who have been in the 9/11 movement and have seen COINTELPRO in action in past years are now willing to go down this road once again with disinformation, distortion and the constant mania of people who insist on operating under false names, anonymous slanderers. It's a despicable way to wage political activity. |
In the last 25 minutes, Webster repeats much of the above to his guests. Not going to transcribe it but it is worth listening to, especially when Craig Hill attacks Reprehensor and 911blogger.
Check out the thread The Kennebunkport Warning: A Hoax?, especially Arabesque's post about the KW defenders' ties (especially Tarpley) to Lyndon LaRouche.
I smell a LaRouche plot to hijack the 9/11 truth movement by allying Tarpley and his acolytes with the Fetzer/Barrett/Haupt crowd, marginalizing the real activists, and attempting to position Tarpley -- formerly LaRouche's right-hand man and possibly the 85-year-old LaRouche's chosen successor -- as the next "leader" of the truth movement. |
Hahahaha.... OMG I can't believe Tarpley is such an idiot. The guy doesn’t HAVE A CLUE! Yea that's right Web, pimp Nico Haupt and Fetzer you really know who’s part the genuine 9/11 Truth Movement. So disappointing.
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casseia
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Wow. I am stunned.
I've had Uranus opposite my natal Pluto most of this year (as has everyone born during most of 1967) and so I'm used to repeated bouts of having EVERYTHING turned on its head recently, but I'm bummed about Tarpley or more specifically, the need to chuck him onto the ash-heap of 9/11 Truth. Meeting him at the Arizona conference (and running off to the Starbucks to get him a coffee while he was signing books) was a highlight of my life as Truther.
The LaRouche stuff is clicking into sharp focus, though, as a compelling strategy behind his MO.
I take issue with his characterization of Jenny Sparks. I know for a FACT that she uses chewing tobacco and has never smoked cigars. |
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Dem Bruce Lee Stylez!
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| How can Tarpley complain about slander WHEN HE'S ON WINGTV ALL THE TIME?!!!! |
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Dem Bruce Lee Stylez!
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You know what, as far as I'm concerned..... FUCK TARPLEY!
I've tolerated a lot of the shit he's done (promoting Nico Haupt, Fetzer, WINGTV and all the disinfo) giving him the benefit of the doubt all the time, that's over now. |
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Joe
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:02 am Post subject: The "other" 911 Truth events in NYC starting Sept |
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http://ready4mainstream.ny911truth.org/
Tarpley, Barrett, and Fetzer will be there, but I will be in SF... anybody available to call them on this stuff in the open in front of digicams?
BTW I'm really feeling CV's suspicion of a LaRouchean attempt at hijacking the movement.
To support this, I have had my run-ins with the LaRoucheans; in college and more recently. In college, they were the people tabling who would attack people unnecessarily and had been kicked off campus for harassment at SFSU.
More recently, just wanting to engage in polemic, I approached a table in downtown SF, where I hoped to find a connection for 911 Truth, and gave in to the uncomfortable "give me your phone number so we can contact you in the future". Well after several calls, and letting him know I didn't have time to get involved with them, he literally started yelling into the phone that "Mr. 911Truth says he wants to be politically active but you're too busy!!" I couldn't believe this guy and I firmly let him know I wasn't going to tolerate his calls any longer. He also said Cheney was a literal blood-drinker (reference to Icke?), and that Queen Elizabeth breast-fed Cheney (no joke). Thank you all for all of your time posting, researching, and transcripting.
Love to you all.
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Rowan Berkeley
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Someone calling himself or herself "Dog4Tree" has made a little video combining Tarpley polemic with some far out speculations, such as that Jenny is the new representative of al Qaeda in our movement, and that this is somehow connected with the departure of Karl Rove:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeiMj7lqqRQ
The maker, "Dog4Tree" adds in a comment to his or her own video:
Factfinder General, Iso, U2r2h, John White, Gary Welz, John Albanese, Mark Bilk, Col Jenny Sparks, are just many examples of a large, well-funded Nazi-style organization of war criminals. These people need to be tried for war crimes, and just like Israelis caught some Nazis 30 years after the end of WWII, these shills will spend their entire lives on the run or in prison once their role in the 9/11 terrorist attacks becomes known to the general public. |
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Christophera
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| CV wrote: | Alienating the premier campaign of activists is not a wise move on his part. Tarpley has no street power, as we do.
Actions speak louder than words. By keeping things constructive we can show that we are better than that crap.
Let's simply redouble our efforts. |
Yea, very wise. Unify in and with reason.
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