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imgstacke
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| i tried to and i was approved for a short time now i get a 403 error - FORBIDDEN |
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DoYouEverWonder
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chrisc
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:44 pm Post subject: But they allow Killtown to spam the place...! |
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| Danse wrote: | | I tried signing up there ages ago but my account was never activated. |
Hmm, what username did you use? -- I'll also raise this with Ian Neal...
Given that Killtown is allowed to post endless crap there I can't see how this could be justified... |
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Hocus Locus
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| Quote: | [re: circumstances surrounding the 'Declaration of Kennebunkport'] Mr. Lehrman says here,
My first reaction to the controversy was to hope for reconciliation, but there appears to be no way to make this happen. Mr. Tarpley is adamant that the arrival of Chip Berlet of the Ford Foundation is evidence of a major counterorganizing initiative and he is decisive that even those who cannot be proven agents must be warned of the consequences of their alliance, intentional or otherwise. I can understand this point of view. |
Well first... if indeed Ford Foundation it is by proxy. PRA is at least one step removed. I notice that Mr. Tarpley in his urgent fussing has little time to mention the name of Mr. Berlet's parent organization, the Political Research Organization (publiceye.org).
I wonder why that is. Is it because 'Ford Foundation' is like some already-minted resonant tinfoil token? Legal conspiricism tender? Access all areas, good to go, In Like Flynn? And why would that be? Because that stern block lettering identifying 'Ford Foundation' as a supporter (whatever that means) kept flashing not so subliminally in front of PBS programming all those years?
Now I may not be quite as naive as that, but how would anyone know if I held my presentation to the same low-bar standard as Mr. Tarpley. Promoting all this outlandish hypeulation without spelling it out.
I love to incorrigibly state obvious things when no one else has. Offended parties learn to scroll past it.
The ironic rub here is that I am one of these 'truthaction.org' people because they would have me, and I too am concerned that Chip-Berlet style movement management is coming into play as Mr. Tarpley so states, and I don't like it either. Does his 'insinuendo' mean that one of us has to be lying? Geez.
| Quote: | I propose that no one seriously working with the political 911 peace and justice movement engage, reference or credit anyone who is not willing to operate under his own name.
~Leland Lehrman |
Well count me in and out, on that one. I am not unwilling to operate under my own name.
I am just (perhaps) a person who has hold on a slightly greater degree of anonymity in this venue at this point in time, than you do, and I value it just enough that not to give it away without a convincing reason. I also recognize that every time you sign your name to a web page, perhaps in your case, it is a choice you have made.
But upon consideration I do not grant your assertion on the value of 'real-name' in this time and place, sufficient cause for me to 'decloak' as it were -- or make any change in such identity policy as I prefer. It's like the decisiion of deciding to take off one's shoes, or even accept an offered handshake as opposed to some other suitably respectful non-contact acknowledgement (and in the cultures of the world there are many). It has as much to do with where and what as why, and as much to do with the why as the how.
I neither fault you for making that choice, nor would I choose to grant any handicap to those who are known to me only as psudonyms -- because unless I see it otherwise, they are people too.
And people matter.
~Hassan Ibrahim (see this one in context, it's a worthy read)
When you propose any test that may not seem in itself a Draconian Measure, but could be used or exploited as such by opportunists, it helps to think things deeply through. First. Hasn't it always been the case that a little more of this-or-that, in this case some purported veracity of given-name, would put us over the top. In the case of your proposal just this one little step could make things so much better...
Okay so I'll bite. Not content to play devil's advocate I'll be the little guy himself. There comes a day when enough 9/11 activists adopt this simple manifesto so that... er um, what? When they finally meet in person, are they checking and asking for government-issued picture ID? Would a Premium Verisign Certificate and keysigning dongle suffice? Or would they not -- because it is essentially impolite, and therefore initiating an 'ID ritual' becomes a way for impolite bullies to assert themselves, while for the mass of others the ritual would is merely un-observed in all but a few most extreme (and uncomfortable) situations, when bullied? Who would lay money-odds otherwise?
Ask any one who lived under the rule of Saddam Hussein about the benefits of a weigh-in democracy where a person is expected to sign their ballot.
In a perfect, transparent society completely free of fear -- it's so easy to argue that signing one's name own name to the ballot makes sense. In terms of accountability, nothing but plusses! Who would need to fear except the forger, the fraud? In this enlightened atmosphere why would it be impossible to even come up with a detailed counter-argument to complete openness that would not seem to be impolite and provocative...?
Because such claims can only operate within a faith-based context that is clumsily attempting to cloak itself as a context of logic as the real world not always but usually does intrude.
So please pardon me if I don't remove my shoes now, Mr. Lehrman. Which I shall choose to call you because it is your wish, not at all because I am completely sure it is yours, see my point? And I certainly would accept your offered handshake.
If I had signed the KW the world would know my name. Wasn't there, maybe next time. Not all of us would be ready to join Ex-Anon, for all sorts of reasons. In the mix there are some pretty good ones. But one can never be sure which persons have the best reasons. Such mysteries are healthy.
Some more Hocus backdraft on slippery slopes (9/11 signs) at
http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6088#6088
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Arabesque
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | I propose that no one seriously working with the political 911 peace and justice movement engage, reference or credit anyone who is not willing to operate under his own name.
~Leland Lehrman |
Usually, the people who want to know your name are the ones who want to personally attack you.
If we are a bunch if nobodies on the internet, ignore us.
If we aren't a bunch of nobodies, then answer our argument/complaint, don't personally attack us instead and distort our position.
As I explained before, I'm afraid Tarpley will hurt my feelings if he gets a photo of me.
My beard is just wide open for ridicule.
In the meantime, check out my cool hat.
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Gareth Newnham
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:35 am Post subject: |
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Tony Gosling from nineeleven.co.uk is stirring (He is also the organiser of Webster Tarpleys UK tour which kicks off monday:
thread title: Kennebunkport disinfo and nuke provocation
| Quote: | One of the extremely divisive allegations recently against the peace movement and 911 truthers in the US is that the Kennebunkport Warning is some kind of hoax. It isn't.
Please take a little time to explore those 'exposing' this 'hoax' and you'll see that there are just a handful of untraceable people: Arabesque, Cosmos, Michael Wolsey, imgstacke and Colonel Jenny Sparks there is also well known disinfo writer Chip Bertlet in on this game(who recently wrote a disinfo piece for the New Internationalist) |
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=11960 |
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chrisc
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:08 pm Post subject: Not such a Big Tent after all...? |
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| g wrote: | Tony Gosling from nineeleven.co.uk is stirring
| Quote: | | a handful of untraceable people: Arabesque, Cosmos, Michael Wolsey, imgstacke and Colonel Jenny Sparks |
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I sent Ian Neal a email last night point out that two of these "untraceable people" tried to open accounts on nineeleven.co.uk on 10th October but haven't had them approved (Arabesque whos account isn't even listed and imgstacke who's account doesn't work)... If Ian doesn't sort this out quickly it's going to become apparent that it's not a mistake that people like Killtown are allowed to flood the place with disinformation and those trying to counter it are kept out...
But let's wait and see before jumping to any hasty conclusion -- it's clear that a lot of bots keep signing up to that site -- look at the latest pages of the memberlist... The last account that was created that has any posts associated with it was created on the 7th October so it's possible that Ian hasn't approved any accounts since then... Also it's possible that the emails address I have for him is one that he doesn't check -- the email hasn't bounced back but the last email he sent me from this address was from over a year ago... |
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imgstacke
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Oh wow - your right - resort the member list to descending[date] and check out the WWW links - most are all to port or casinos or something!
Anyway please let us know if Ian ever replies.
I guess if I were selling viagra I would have a better chance eh? |
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Col. Jenny Sparks
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | But let's wait and see before jumping to any hasty conclusion -- it's clear that a lot of bots keep signing up to that site -- look at the latest pages of the memberlist... The last account that was created that has any posts associated with it was created on the 7th October so it's possible that Ian hasn't approved any accounts since then... Also it's possible that the emails address I have for him is one that he doesn't check -- the email hasn't bounced back but the last email he sent me from this address was from over a year ago... |
Agree about not jumping to conclusions....with a caveat: it is THEIR responsibility to sort these technical problems out. And, if it's going to take a bit, to TELL their members what's going on, why and whom to email if they don't get approved timely.
So, yeh, no jumping over here, but it isn't a so much a jump as a hop--or a step-- if there's so sign they're working on it. Portland Indy Media exhausted my patience with "technical"problems--whats' 32 -7 equal? That's the number of days at the least this is gone unresolved....
At some point not fixing a problem becomes suspicious in itself.
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Hocus Locus
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:25 am Post subject: |
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| Tony Gosling from nineeleven.co.uk wrote: | | One of the extremely divisive allegations recently against the peace movement and 911 truthers in the US is that the Kennebunkport Warning is some kind of hoax. It isn't. |
JoanJones, as thread-starter, has the ability to 'edit' the first post and retitle the thread in-place by changing its 'Subject' field.
The Kennebunkport Warning: A Fiasco?
To turn the ship of truthaction.org into the swells so they can break across the bow.
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chrisc
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:11 am Post subject: Pat Curley's Kennebunkport Warning summury |
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Pat Curley has posted the following comment on Paul Stott's 911cultwatch blog:
| Pat Curley wrote: | I don't know if this is related, but a possible reason some of the big hitters were missing is a recent battle between Tarpley and a contingent of the American Troofers. It's all very complex, but basically Tarpley got a bunch of people including peace activist Cindy Sheehan to sign something called the Kennebunkport Warning which claimed that they had evidence that the US was about to launch a "false-flag attack" in order to provoke a war with Iran. Afterwards Cindy claimed she hadn't seen anything about the "false-flag attack", and that all she signed was a document calling for Cheney's impeachment. Oddly, Tarpley then lashed out at Sheehan, calling her a "wretched individual". This caused some midlevel US 9-11 activists to raise a stink, Tarpley responded by calling them cointelpro and the upshot is that Tarpley is on the outs with what might be considered the "moderate" faction.
Terrific post, I will link from Screw Loose Change.
Posted by: Pat Curley | November 08, 2007 at 12:41 AM |
For some context to this see the article on Indymedia posted by Paul Stott and the thread on nineeleven.co.uk about Webster Tarpley's UK tour. |
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Col. Jenny Sparks
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:27 am Post subject: Re: Pat Curley's Kennebunkport Warning summury |
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| chrisc wrote: | Pat Curley has posted the following comment on Paul Stott's 911cultwatch blog:
| Pat Curley wrote: | I don't know if this is related, but a possible reason some of the big hitters were missing is a recent battle between Tarpley and a contingent of the American Troofers. It's all very complex, but basically Tarpley got a bunch of people including peace activist Cindy Sheehan to sign something called the Kennebunkport Warning which claimed that they had evidence that the US was about to launch a "false-flag attack" in order to provoke a war with Iran. Afterwards Cindy claimed she hadn't seen anything about the "false-flag attack", and that all she signed was a document calling for Cheney's impeachment. Oddly, Tarpley then lashed out at Sheehan, calling her a "wretched individual". This caused some midlevel US 9-11 activists to raise a stink, Tarpley responded by calling them cointelpro and the upshot is that Tarpley is on the outs with what might be considered the "moderate" faction.
Terrific post, I will link from Screw Loose Change.
Posted by: Pat Curley | November 08, 2007 at 12:41 AM |
For some context to this see the article on Indymedia posted by Paul Stott and the thread on nineeleven.co.uk about Webster Tarpley's UK tour. |
At 911 Blogger that prat just got through pretending he has no idea what we're doing at Indy Media UK---complete tot considering Nico posted a blog about it yesterday and Pat, by his own admission, faithfully reads his fiance's posts.
Probably means it'll be a good marriage...
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chrisc
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: Ralph Schoenman on Webster Tarpley |
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This show is well worth listening to:
| Visibility 9-11 wrote: | Visibility 9-11 Welcomes Ralph Schoenman
This week Visibility 9-11 Welcomes to the program, author, radio talk show host, and long time activist Ralph Schoenman. Long active in political life, Ralph Schoenman has been involved in international resistance to imperialism and active in the workers' movement in the United States. The author of several books and publications, Ralph has written and lectured on the topics of the assassinations of President Kennedy and his brother, Malcom X, Martin Luther King, and the events of September 11th, 2001.
In this episode, Ralph discusses many of the problems with our present government and it's propensity to do whatever it takes to hold onto their ominous power, including the infiltration and disruption of movements for social change. Discussions include the "Kennebunkport Warning" and the recent disruptive and divisive accusations by Webster Tarpley against prominent peace and 9-11 activists.
Direct download: visibility911_schoenman.mp3 |
In the show the 2007 Project Censored is mentioned, yesterdays Guns and Butter featured speaches from a Project Censored conference: http://kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=23168 |
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