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[CV]

Before you go, can you respond to my question about Nico Haupt?
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from dl:

Wait, so what you did to Tarpley & Bruce Marshall was not character assassination?

-- we asked for proof of signatures. None was provided with document verification. Why not?

We could do the Capulet and Montegue, chicken and egg argument all day long. But you did strike the first slanderous blow with the "hoax" language.

-- yes, we could dl. The vile response though came from the KW group. You guys have very little savvy when it comes to how to respond convincingly or persuasively. Study.

Also, it's nice you know about STRATCOM, NORTHCOM, etc. So why do I rarely, if ever hear these groups mentioned during 9-11 discussions?

--I can't speak for others but I post about those issues frequently but I don't post that much on 911blogger nor, until now, on truthaction. But 9/11 sites have begun to branch out to these issues.

There is this mass perception that when we confront the "masses," that we must keep things simple. Perhaps, in terms of the language we use, that is true, as a large percentage of the population is functionally illiterate.

--dl, you are actually quite illiterate in this domain. I am not. These issues are within the substance of my profession. Be happy to talk about them sometime.

But we do not have to water down the names that we discuss. I find the "new investigation" language to be grating and dated.

-- dl, a great many people are swayed by a gradual introduction to the issues. Beginning with a persuasive argument about why we need a new investigation is one of the least threatening ways to broach the topic(s) - including, later, your referenced topics. I don't care if You find the issue grating and dated. This is but one more symptom of arrogance. You are irrelevant in this respect. You already are aware. The people we seek to inform are not. Get out of your head. We cannot assume, as you plainly do, that people generally think at the 'elevated' level you do. Indeed, they do not. You appear to have absolutely no clue about how people change beliefs, can be persuded to accept dissonant ideas..to change.

--While this process may not be rapid enough to alter the coming events... very possibly true. But psychologist know that you will certainly not persuade defended and thoroughly propagandized individuals (most of the populace) utilizing your tactics. Simply, and scientifically demonstrable. Do more research.

-- and as (edit) far as the dire events descending? I am concerned that they are falling upon us faster than can be responded to adequately. But nothing You talk about is in any way going to increase the immediate abilty to respond to fascism. Unless you hold out for some sort of sudden transformation in people's views as was expounded by the La Rouche ladies I had discourse with. Good luck.

I gave Cosmos the example of the "Great Global Warming Swindle." A few scientists claimed they were misquoted in the movie, but did that stop everyone in the "truth" community from handing out the DVD's and sending the Video Google links? Hell no.

--I cannot speak to this as I did not watch the vid nor know of the controversy.

Thus, even if the worst of your accusations were true (which I think has already been proven false) they were irrelevant. And with war so close, Cosmos swatted the hornets nest so we could all waste time at each other's throats.

--You will disagree, but I think the hornets' nest was swatteded by y'all. All the KW folks had to do was provide verification. nada. Understandably angered by the issue they nevertheless should have not responded with the ad hom and vilification so characteristic of cointelpro. There are more adult ways to handle disputes.

I don't worship Sheehan and think she was never intellectually capable to handle the "leader" role foisted upon her by the media and cultish leftists.

-- boy dl, sometimes the things you say are simply asinine, and repugnant. Oh, Cindy is not as smart as you., eh?.... classy statement! Cindy is bright and a whole lot more compelling than you - in every respect. And, judging in terms of behavior, not at all prone to adhom whereas that seems to be yours and KW's modus operandi.

Furthermore, I have low tolerance for the passive-aggressive behavior that many of you display. If you want to slander people with "hoax" accusations, and do entire radio shows bashing them, go ahead. But when people defend themselves, don't act like pacifist monks. When you enter the ring, you can't claim innocence with the rope-a-dope strategy.

--first of all, dl, you misuse the term 'passive-aggressive'. It refers to 'not acting' to express anger unconsciously. Not to slander (ing) which is active.

-- questions about KW were bound to arise. and be made. Surprise! I can tell you have never been in a professional role in anything nor had to testify at court. Because you think KW should have been immune from them. Horrors, The Questions. Arrogance to think you would be special. Everything is always questioned when there are contradictory attestations. Deal with it. But not with slander and ad hom.

The memes and goals of 911 truth are stale and basically treading water until the next attack. And having to debunk Cosmos and the gang is a tremendous waste of time.

-- I already answered this issue (above). You are simply wrong with respect to the first issue. But true with respect to the exalted like you. And I have no sympathy for you regarding the second.

Jeez, I already spent ten minutes writing this. This will be my last post.
-- sorry you can't handle it.

[Col. Jenny Sparks]

DL---he takes so long to say so little.

Mind you, my mates are much nicer that I am, sunbeam. But I'll restrain myself for a mo and give you a chance to ask your friend Webbie where he was the weekend of August 25th-26th.

Humor us, luv.
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[Arabesque]

http://911research.wtc7.net/resources/web/psyop.html

http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/08/kennebunkport-warning-hoax-controversy.html
The Kennebunkport Warning: Hoax?
This article exposes an apparent hoax circulated weeks before the sixth anniversary of the attack, perhaps with the intent of driving a wedge between peace activists and 9/11 truth activists.
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A 9/11/2008 Resolution: Start Your Own 9/11 Blog

[imgstacke]

Awesome Arabesque!

I guess Tarpley is going to accuse Hoffman of being cointelpro now too eh?

Case Closed.

Next...

[Dem Bruce Lee Stylez!]

Who's this "DL" - is that Abrahamson? If so, what the hell are you doing kissing Nico Haupt’s Holographic, CGI generated, Space Beam emitting ass? Seriously. I thought you were a good guy but now, along with all the other clowns like Fetzer, Reynolds, Wood, Siegel, Shayler, Haupt and more recently Barrett and now Tarpley you're are right up there with those disinfo allstars!! Be proud of it!

[Dem Bruce Lee Stylez!]

Haha, check this last line from Abrahamson in an article he did about Facebook;

"After all, maybe I have entered the right keywords and the CIA will come recruit me as one of those new student spies."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2...thefacebook.htm

Wonder if he did "enter the right keywords" after all...

[aldo-p2]

I've already said my piece in Jenny's recent 'Anti-Semitism' thread but I feel it is worth re-iterating the main questions:-

Why is everyone, on both sides of this latest divisionary fiasco not addressing the central issue, the content of this warning? This surely is clear demonstration that cointelpro has won over you all...

Do you feel it is just too hot to handle?

Do you all feel that NWO retribution will descend on you in short order if you support the 'massive [volume of?] evidence', much of it provided by Tarpley over the years?

Why take it personally, for '80% population reduction' is their not-so-long term aim anyway?

Surely, focussed and mighty efforts to thwart the total enslavement of the planet by rampant psychopaths must be all decent peoples primary concern right now?

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Just precisely what IS America still waiting for? Santa Claus?

Well , he isn't coming - he's on the No Fly list...
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[imgstacke]

The ends do not justify the means. Unless your a fascist.

[Rowan Berkeley]

Personally, I think any analysis that confuses 'globalists' with 'zionists' is on a wild goose chase. The reason they make this peculiar connection is this : Larouche (or to be exact, Jeffrey Steinberg) is very big on the connection between British upper class freemasonry and a type of masonic colonial zionism. Unfortunately, Steinberg's case for this relies a lot on decontextualisation, but here it is anyway:
http://larouchepub.com/other/2000/temple_mount_2743.html

[Arabesque]

[aldo-p2]

Arabesque - I see you too are not above ad hominems yet you seem to deliberately miss the point. How you can conflate an imminent attack upon Iran/US with a 'signature row' is beyond belief.

If, as you claim above, you have provided the 'massive evidence' only alluded to by your new 'opponents', then why are you not now on your way, followed by millions, to take this Kennebunkport Warning along with all your evidence to Capitol Hill?

Why are not all senator's offices swamped with irate constitutionalists?

Why are you still talking rather than acting?

Rockefeller and his cronies must be laughing their heads off, whilst taking time out from raping children and destroying wholesale all that decent people fought for over generations.

Can you not grasp the fact these old psychopaths consider themselves utterly untouchable by the hand of man; demi-gods in fact, despite an avalanche of evidence pointing to their utter amoral depravity?

You are still sleepwalking, IMO. Either that or you hope to gain by their plans - fascism indeed.
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[Arabesque]

[Col. Jenny Sparks]

You want to watch your step, aldo-p2. We've been more that dead clear that it is not the contents of the supossed warning that are the problem. In fact the contents are almost trite --telling us more or less what we already know.

It's HOW this warning got to us that's the problem. And yes that does matter. Because that's how you play silly buggers with people's heads, make them trust you, then pull a Shayler.

Confirming the possibility of an immenint false flase warning is a separate issue from the matter of whether the "signatrories" for the warning haver been decieved. But, if so, Tarpley will be bugger all help, as his "proof"is rubbish.

Now you're not interested in investigating the KW prblem. Fine. But it's a free 9/11 Truth Movement. If prats like Nico can spread their shite, then we sure as fuck can continue demanding accountability from our fellow so called "truthers" for their behavior.

And this wee gem put's the issue beyond debate as far as personal attacks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeiMj7lqqRQ

This has Nico/Rick Seigel's fingerprints all over it. I haven't forgotten what that bitch Naupt did here:

http://killtwoofers.blogspot.com/

More specifically how he worked with Patrick and James of Screwy Loose to try to claim I made that blog.

There will be a reckoning one day. And no, it's not because I'm bothered by it(it was a giggle that anyone would think that'd scare me off), but because the content is so evil it frightens people in a away I'd never do deliberatly to people who haven't done me any harm. Deliberate "collateral damage" is not acceptable.

And that's another point not to be missed--while we are working on 9/11 Truth, at every available oportunity we out those who have given us cause to be untrustworthy.
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[aldo-p2]