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Col. Jenny Sparks
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 Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:33 am Post subject: Captain Eric May on Webster Tarpley's September 27th show |
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Some seem to think Captain Eric May is not such a bad guy. Or, even if he is, why make a fuss about it?:
http://www.911blogger.com/node/11758
Perhaps those of us who are on to Captain Mayday haven't been clear what our objection to him is:
In addition to his sloppy expressions of alledged anti-Zionism--which makes him attack such pointless targets as the Jews in Hollywood(mind the Aliens on that first link  )
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/burning.htm
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007/09/364503.shtml
or just general sloppy writing like here:
http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/Portland-Nuclear-Inquest/message/879
there is his near constant hysterical blather about the Nuking of Portland, Oregon , USA:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007/08/363359.shtml
amplified by the madness of his yahoo group:
http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/Portland-Nuclear-Inquest/
Now, chums, whatever else he may or may not be right about, does anyone really want this nutter to be representing or speaking for 9/11 Truth in any way, shape or form?
Take the article at 9/11 Blogger: "Amerika Uber Alles" -- Our Nazi Nation"
Right, it has a lot of good points and good material--that other people have said as well or better already:
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/
David's Orcinus blog is almost soley devoted to examining proto-facism on the rise--with a bit about dolpoins every so often. In fact his writings on the subject dwarf Captain May's in both volume and depth, for example:
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2003_08_31_dneiwert_archive.html
So why can't our Carol Brouillet repost a David Neiwert article if she wants to post on the subject? Or better yet, write her own and source it? Anything would be better than posting rubbish from someone aiding and abbetting our ex fellow truther, Webster Tarpley, in the search to "hunt down" the hoax busters.
Don't believe me? Then read the transcript that follows:
(apologies in advance for mispellings--I'll catch them in the second edit and after some sleep!)
Transcript from 1:32:46
http://nw0.info/files/Radio/The%20Genesis%20World%20Report/2007/September/gwr32k_2007-09-27.mp3
| Quote: | TARPLEY: Welcome back to the thursday eve Washingtion Wrappup this is Webster Tarpley. And we copme now to the sgegment of counter intelligence and this of course concerns our dear friends over at the Berlet Brigage, the Ford Foundation Berlet Brigade. These are the four individuals--psudomyms that you know--or don't know, the nameless, faceless ones....of course, Jenny Sparks, Cosmos, Arabesque and uh Micheal Wolsley. SOme of them have a third of a face, some of them have three quarters of a face, most have no names...
They have essencially been wrapped up into a neat package with their leader chipp berlet as they march under the banner of the Ford Foundation--by an artist who portrayed them in a very ironic lampoon that you can see up at actindepentent.org or at the Rense.com, um, website.
But we wanted to focus on one of them in particular tonight, and that is perhaps the strangest of them all, Col. Jenny sparks, always in quotation marks. And it turned out that before the uh, the Kennebuinkport Warning ever came on the scene, she was persuing the wrecking and sabotage operations against the Portland 911 Truth and peace community, in particular she was trying to sabatage a mobilization in that community against Noble Resolve 07 and you remember that one, that is, of course, a drill with uh, nuclear waste and a dirty bomb written into the scenario and it was the one where congressman DeFazio tried to get information and was denied it for the only time inhis carreer. So, that got to be quite a big deal and Col. Jenny Sparks was up to her neck in this and we have an eyewitness, indeed one of the targets of her attacks and that is Captain Eric May who joins us from Portland.
Evening, Captain.
MAY:Ah, well, I'm very honored to be with you and your listeners.
TARPLEY: Thank you.
MAY: I greatly enjoyed Craig Paul Robersts interview with you and your commentray of the previous hour.
TARPLEY: Thanks very much! Why don't you---?
MAY: ANd I particularly like your uh, operation Barbarosa prelude, late prelude introduction. For military buffs out there I say no more?
ONe point of distinction I'd like to make is that Col. Jenny Sparks is pseudonymic. Jenny Sparks is a character out of a British um, kinda, um comic book. Captain Eric May is a humble and unillustious but genuine former intelligence and public affairs officer with the army.
TARPLEY: Okay, that's good to hear. NOw please tellmus, tell us your experience with the whole thing. The thing that facinats me the most is does she come onto the scene as an actual person? IN flesh and blood? Or does she mainifest herself as emails? A disembodied voice? How does she appear?
MAY: The latter. Now, uh, one final point. I run out of Texas, in fact Huston Texas--I'm ony about 90miles away from your last guy. Craig Roberst who's up at Texas (garbbled). Um, I set up the Portland Nuclear Inquest after finding out there were Nuclear Simulation Excersies. Incidently, that was not announced as a dirty bomb, a radiological dispersal device, so called? That was announced as a Nuclear simulation attack.
TARPLEY: OKay, I stand corrected.
MAY: AS I began to work with the Portland Nuclear scemario, which is very simular you know with the scenarios I worked in active duty in the army, it's just a massive mobilization excersise, I had some connections through my M.I. P.A.O.(no idea if those are all one--there was a pause after the "I"), that I called up these players. So if you want to talk about Peter Defazio, I can talk about Penny Page, cheif of staff, because I talked to her. Joint forces commmand was running it, I talked to Phillips Smith, Lt. Col.(garbbled)year apart public affairs course in Fort Benjamin, Harrison, Indianappolous.
So all these people who were principle points of information, or points of conflict, in pending nulear excersises in Portland, I was in touch with. And through my flag ship publication, which is the Lonestar Iconaclast, a very brave publication, published by Leon Smith, out of Crawford Texas, under Bush's nose, incidently, the Lone Star Iconoclast ran six stories I wrote as Noble Resolve began to develop.
And along the entire was, what developed was that no two entities in the entire mix had their stories together. Adn because my background was sufficiently deep in all of the principle areas, ya know, I knew it. So we published it.
So, uh, we pretty quickly set up an ad hoc coalition, the Portland Nuclear Inquest, which we made a yahoo group. This is almost in the catagory of "how to". If you have an excersie in your city, set up a yahoo group and start to publish information. Beacuse free dispersal oif information, First Ammendment activity, that's exactly what the info war was created to pre-empt. That's exactly what you don't get from the Mainstream media )garbbled)
TARPLEY: So how does Jenny SParks come in?
MAY: At about the time we were--we were midway through the Portland Nuclear Inquest--or the Portland nuclear drill, Noble Resolve--was scheduled for the 20th through the 24th of August, all of a sudden, out of the raffters, Jenny Sparks, the pseudonym, starts publishing articles saying Portland Nuclear Inquest must be uh, disinformation, a waste of time, deluded, paniced, insane, you know, throwing anything she could against thewall opf the internet just to see if any of it would stick, and uh (garbbled)generally having a shred of proof, finding the weakest point in an argument, the most outragous posting by a member of my group. But she began to dedicate herself to undermining the efforst of both the Portland Nuclear Inquest, which I had set up, which by then had garnered about 70 Portland Activists, and uh, the Orgeon Truth Alliance, run by a member of my inquest, Ginny Ross--which uh, I don't know how many people it garnered, but it was well organized and was a great resource.
So she began to publish this kind of stuff, and uh, this was in the middle of an ongoing excersise, when, for all I could tell, we had pre-empted a possible false flag. Remember, at the same time that you had wisely prepared the Kennebunkport Warning, you were part of a geostrategized analytic rift--that I'm proud to have been part of too. As were people like Kevin Barrett, Dr. Fetzer, Dr. (garbbled)--there are many of us, and I defer to your, to your initiation of the document, but there are many of us thinking this. Adn for all I know we were preempting a false flag on Portland.
So to get bitten in the butt, in the middle of our actions trying to defend the city via an information offensive--uh, that's a pretty good sign somebody's running disinformation. And within a feew daysd she had actually infiltrated--at that poiutn we dod open membership to the group--if you wanted to join it, we let you in--the 27th--which uh, I think isthe same day we went oin radio, and heard about the Kennebunkport Warning. That day, she attacked the group, planting disinfo, aggitation tactics, where she poublished an insulting article, linked it through places, threw it infront of the group--and we had about 3 or 4 trolls who expressed resounding cooberatuib abd affirmations of her attacks. So it was pretty claer we had been infiltrated by a group who had bided their time and tried to undermine us.
TARPLEY: Captain, does she have special websites that she uses to get her modus operandi going here?
MAY: Well, I've done a web search and of course in the current context she has "lifted and shifted" to use a military term, from out Portland Nuclear Inquest and Oregon Truth Alliance--groups who have dealing with the Portland scenraio for Noble Resloves and the upcoming TopOff 4 excersises--she shifted from that to she's been peppering your position. She's been--
TARPLEY: Which websites, in your view?
MAY: 911Blogger is the primary, and then they;re mutually linking fires with people like ARabesqe, Winter Patriot, she did an interview on Micheal Wosley--he's the only one of the bunch who uses his real name--he's gotta be a dupe in this---
TARPLEY:Hang on a second--we'll be right back! |
1:42:27
1:46:00
| Quote: | TARPLEY: Alright, here we are in our last segment. We're still talking to Captain Eric May,m a journalist who wrotes for the Lonestar Iconoclast of Crawford Texas. He's contributed useful analisis to this, uh, to the activities of the Berlet Brigade, and the various poison pens. And we're going to be joined now by Morgan Stake from Cork, Ireland, to get his take on a couple of these things.
Captain, we have uh, very little time now--um do you have any idea now who this person really is? And where she's located? And how is it possible to do this destabilization and wrecking simply through the internet, at long range? Does she depend on dupes? Or backward elements? How does she do it?
MAY: Well, if I may, indulge me--please give my best reguards to Morgan Stack--he's been kind enough to publish my material in Irish 911Truth side--
TARPLEY: Well, he's right here...
MAY:(garbbled) he'll know Captain May if you tell him I've been on.
Uh, with Jenny Sparks I think you're at both ends(?)--I think she uses professional cointelpro cooberation, and then useful idiots where ever they can be found. Ya know, remember these people, uh, if you or I were getting paid a salary and didn't hav ea particulkar interest in the principle of what we're doing, you know, we could do the same thing--
They're, they're trained cointelpro professionals--agiprop activists--and their job is not to produce positive analysis. If you can look far and near for any article of any consequesnce, by any of these people and you'll not find it. But what you'll find is a constant rat-a-tat of critisizm against anyone elses work. And that is because their mission is not to develop the area of 911 analysis, or the next 911 prediction--it's to impede 911 analysis and prediction.
So, these are classic disinformation tactics, and over the course of the last four years I was one of the officers, probably like those invoilved in the Airfource Mynok(?) incident, who self mobiloized, declared a mission of consciounce, and began to write and speak against what I knew was being misrepresented and was dangerous to the constitution of the country.
I suspect tehre are um, more and more people speaking up against things like Jenny Sparks, but on the other side you have to realize there are organized cointelpro cells. And in my four years of self mobilization under a mission of conscience, I've run into half a dozen of them. Anything from military professionsls who went by rank, although would not sign their work, to, you know, cute synonyms like Arabesque or Jenny Sparks who wuold not sign their work, to people like Captain Robert Noay(?), former special forces acting(?) platoon leader, who seems to be on the Bush(garbbled) who's writing anti stuff, and they usually coalese and target specific points. You have to see them as military assets--
TARPLEY: Captain, captain we got---
MAY: --and they target very carefully what they're going to coalese and form against.
TARPLEY: Captain--
MAY: So we talked about them doing swift boat tactics? You have to think about that in a military sense. They pull together and do ad hoc attacks on key areasb of rupture(?)
TARPLEY: Okay Captain, we've got to give Morgan a chance, he's close to (garbbled)
(three way talking over for a couple of seconds)
Last question: in one word--do you know who she is and where she is?
MAY: Alas, no, but we suspect Portland, at least that has been put out in a number of places--we haven't been able to cooberate it.
The last word of intelligence to listeners would be if someone will not give a picture and a name, if they will not sign their name, and show their face, they are not to be trusted in this movement. |
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Inaccuracies: I only made ONE post at May's group.
http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/Portland-Nuclear-Inquest/messages/490
Those other people who expresed doubts--and who got banned for it-- I don't know.
Note how he confuses me with Cosmos--who did interview Wolsey.
And how he gets me "linking fires" with that prat Winter Patriot, I'll never know.
Does the man make some good points in his writing? Sometimes--but even a broken clock is right twice a day. We need Captain May to help point out proto fascism in the States, like we need Nico Haupt to help point out 9/11 was an Inside Job.
9/11 Truth will do better without both of them.
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Arabesque
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| Quote: | | They're, they're trained cointelpro professionals--agiprop activists--and their job is not to produce positive analysis. If you can look far and near for any article of any consequence, by any of these people and you'll not find it. But what you'll find is a constant rat-a-tat of criticism against anyone else's work. And that is because their mission is not to develop the area of 911 analysis, or the next 911 prediction--it's to impede 911 analysis and prediction. |
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/07/praise-for-arabesque-911-truth.html
That's some of the "praise" for my CoIntelPro work. The ridiculous slander of Captain May is not even worth responding to.
The better question is, who is Captain May and who promotes his work? Why is it that we keep hearing his name so often? Why is it that some of the most dubious people in the movement keep promoting him? Why did Morgan Stack, a promoter of space beams support his material on his website and why was David Ray Griffin's appearance in Ireland canceled because of it? Why is it that he advocates racist ideas and is interviewed repeatedly on Kevin Barrett's radio show (supposedly a Jewish/Christian alliance)?
I understand if people promote his work, not knowing his background because anyone can do that by mistake. No one's perfect. Michael Wolsey had him on his radio show in fact. I posted links to his articles until someone pointed out the fact that he was a racist. I deleted it from my blog the other day when I noticed/remembered it.
That's how disinfo works--some people intentionally promote bad information, and then other people unintentionally promote the bad information too without knowing it's bad information.
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Hocus Locus
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| Quote: | | MAY: And I particularly like your uh, operation Barbarosa prelude, late prelude introduction. For military buffs out there I say no more? |
Strange, very strange.
I get the impression that Webster Tarpley, Capt May et. al, are actively pursuing a young audience... for the most part a teen and twenty-something audience. While I do not quite get what the goal might be, I can see something. What is in effect happening, is to nurture a young offshoot to 9/11 truth who -- as a primary interest -- follow matters military.
BUT not in the Soldier of Fortune sense. It's a sad twenty-first century rub...
NOT in the sense of some 'normal' special interest group, where a fascination with real military tactics and hardware places them within the same political realm, even on speaking terms with, those who actually serve in the armed forces. Or those in the mainstream who develop the technology. Not mine, but many of us have families where one or more siblings take interest in such things, it can lead to real life choices, real careers.
But what is being shaped here is a DISinformed, MISinformed SPLINTER GROUP of disaffected youth whose straight-through reality will be further displaced by every 'Portland' drill that does not go full-nuclear, every 9/11 that does not happen.
They are being weaned on things, fantastic and obsessively interesting things such as Directed Energy Weapons -- and I do not mean the stuff of ongoing research, I mean the 'fluff' stuff that is typically claimed to exist in 'Hangar 18' and 'Area 51' disinformation campaigns. With some pretty acerbic "Who Killed John O'Neil" style guilt-by-association tactics applied to targets that can be persons, but also 'shadowy' groups that are not necessarily so shadowy. They might even be 'heroes from your hometown'.
Look, on the day of 9/11 there were too many damned drills running, and it's damned suspicious to say the least. On that Tarpley and I are in complete agreement.
But where and when (and how!) did organized political protest come to take the form of villifying and personally targeting members of the armed forces, and those engaged in what are essentially civil defence and law enforcement drills?
Something essentially impolite is being fronted here in the presumed clothing of 'truth'. Something disruptive, disaffecting and kind of stupid.
Judy Wood and Uncle Fetzer is helping out a great deal here by supplying the faux-technology tidbits and talking points, ones that would get these young folks laughed out of the room should they attempt to discuss any of it with real war veterans who have just come in off the field and put their lives on the line with today's leading edge (but) classically shaped and inspired REAL weaponry. And that goes for REAL motivation behind 'drills', and the real motives that people serve the armed forces of their country as well.
If I were tasked to choose a COINTELPRO tactic to get '9/11 Truth' thrown out on its ass, a core of young followers marginalized beyond belief from their family, community and country -- that would be it. Villify drills, the armed forces (front line troops, not even top-down)
Hey... I was kind of young, but after the Viet Nam war... wasn't there some dark sentiment unfairly and crudely laid on by those aligned with movements that had been against the war, towards returning veterans personally? I would wonder whether that uncivilized sentiment served some purpose to 'wedge' existing groups farther apart. And I wonder if the seeds of something of that sort is being laid on here.
Now I'm an 'older' fellow (just slightly older, not that old ;-) and discussing the deep-implications of 9/11 and its possible mechanics I haven't exactly had a great deal of success finding like-minds, even on forums such as this one. But these folks would find it impossible.
| Tarpley spoke wrote: | So the problem now is you may wake up in the midst of "The Day After"... after the 'Iraq cakewalk' we're being offered the 'thermonuclear cakewalk'. Now you can stop drills, we've done it -- monitor drills! Identify drills and shut them down.
~Webster Tarpley: 2006 video lecture on Synthetic Terror and Invisible Government |
The essence of Tarpley's worst case scenario is nuclear. So far that is standard cold-war issue. His presentation follows the line of a knowledgeable mil-watcher, the scenarios he fronts are, in the tradition of cold war rhetoric, credible even as they are unlikely. He does not typically reach into dreamland (the mil complex's moniker for fantastic weapons of the future).
But also from that lecture we have item number four which sets up general opposition to military and quasi-military operations as they occur domestically, under 'pretense' of drill. This is a marching order.
I am compelled to ask... just as for the idea of a 'general strike' -- which is a capital idea, but thankfully few of sound mind believed that this was the year that '9/11 truth' had the numbers or the public perception of purpose and position, to carry off such a broad enterprise -- I ask, what is the 'net effect' of turning every peacetime drill of disaster preparedness, into a '9/11 showdown', where claims of the drill going 'live' are fronted with the routine conviction of outright zealotry?
Where the TRUE powers that be, in order to further seal these young peoples' fate as disaffected outcasts... all they merely need to do is...
Nothing.
These are truly sad days for Occam's Razor, independent rational levels of thinking. For when it is time for real to stir the tempests of war, none are sure to listen to these. Is it then perhaps... by design?
| Quote: | In Chicago, what came out of the Chicago Conference is very specific, there are SIX action points that came out of that conference... and they were approved by acclimation in a gathering not quite so large as this but quite considerable nevertheless. If you're interested in stopping World War III, this is an action program. People wanted to know what to do...
The FIRST is, impeach Bush/Cheney. [applause] But, the only hope for doing this is the First Article of Impeachment, 9/11 crimes, including the Misprision of Treason. You're a government official, you know something's going to happen, you know it is happening, you don't stop it -- that's Mispsirion of Treason. And there's a prima facie case for that. "Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S.", what did you do? Nothing! Meetings, orders? Mobilizations? Alerts? No, nothing. Misprision of Treason. And you take it from there, it goes up from there.
TAKE BACK THE AIRWAVES. The goal is to bombard Air America, C-Span, any and all radio talk shows, Al Franken, that other guy Ed Schultz in the afternoon, that louse! Yeah, that louse. We want to bombard them all. There must be 1200 people here, you make one phone call a week, of this group, think of the effect of this... it essentially means they'd all be submerged in a tidal wave, a tsunami of phone calls, this is what we need. There's no point in going out and handcuffing yourself to the gates of the Whiter House when you can reach 2 or 3 million people -- challenge these officials, you'll be seen by billions of people before the day is over. Use the means that we have.
SUPPORT THE 9/11 TRUTH CANDIDATES, I'm sure my list [Carol Brouillet, Bob Bowman, Morgan Stack or Cork, Ireland] is very inadequate, I don't even have Craig Hill, [...]
MONITOR, EXPOSE AND SHUT DOWN TERROR DRILLS. You find out on your website that something's going to happen in your community, you shut it down. Protest.
We need DEEP THROATS, WHISTLEBLOWERS, WATERGATE TAPES. They should come forward. If there's somebody in uniform... [...]
An INDEPENDENT INTERNATIONAL TRUTH COMMISSION building on the work of the Los Angeles Citizens' Grand Jury which met here in October of 2004 and in August of last year (2005).
And a GENERAL STRIKE [...with Madrid as the model...]
~Tarpley, Ibid. |
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While you here do snoaring lie,
Open-ey'd Conspiracie
His time doth take:
If of Life you keepe a care,
Shake off slumber and beware.
Awake, awake
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imgstacke
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| Quote: | | the one where congressman DeFazio tried to get information and was denied it for the only time inhis carreer. |
May is a good writer but dishonest : And Tarpley is verbose but not as gifted, but equally dishonest.
| Quote: | Friday, July 20, 2007
JEFF KOSSEFF
The Oregonian Staff
WASHINGTON -- Oregonians called Peter DeFazio's office, worried there was a conspiracy buried in the classified portion of a White House plan for operating the government after a terrorist attack.
As a member of the U.S. House on the Homeland Security Committee, DeFazio, D-Ore., is permitted to enter a secure "bubbleroom" in the Capitol and examine classified material. So he asked the White House to see the secret documents.
On Wednesday, DeFazio got his answer: DENIED.
"I just can't believe they're going to deny a member of Congress the right of reviewing how they plan to conduct the government of the United States after a significant terrorist attack," DeFazio says.
Homeland Security Committee staffers told his office that the White House initially approved his request, but it was later quashed. DeFazio doesn't know who did it or why.
"We're talking about the continuity of the government of the United States of America," DeFazio says. "I would think that would be relevant to any member of Congress, let alone a member of the Homeland Security Committee."
Bush administration spokesman Trey Bohn declined to say why DeFazio was denied access: "We do not comment through the press on the process that this access entails. It is important to keep in mind that much of the information related to the continuity of government is highly sensitive."
Norm Ornstein, a legal scholar who studies government continuity at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, said he "cannot think of one good reason" to deny access to a member of Congress who serves on the Homeland Security Committee.
"I find it inexplicable and probably reflective of the usual, knee-jerk overextension of executive power that we see from this White House," Ornstein said.
This is the first time DeFazio has been denied access to documents. DeFazio has asked Homeland Security Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., to help him access the documents.
"Maybe the people who think there's a conspiracy out there are right," DeFazio said.
Jeff Kosseff: 202-383-7814 jeff.kosseff@newhouse.com |
source: OregonLive.com
Cap'n Crunch on the other hand used the last line to imply that they were going to Nuke Portland : see Arabesque's blogger post from 8/12/07 : http://www.911blogger.com/node/10587
In any case just thought I would point that out. |
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Midnighter
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Hi Jenny - long time!
After reading up on these sleazy twats Tarpley and May and their "outing" of you as an al Qaeda cell leader - calling for your rendition and torture, etc - I thought I'd wade into the muck alongside and lend a hand, if I can. You know how much I loathe uncreative work-for-hire pissants trying to breathe new life into their deadly dull drudgery by riding your coattails. Always have, always will!
I've redacted the street address and phone numbers from the following screenshot:
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Hocus Locus
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| Midnighter wrote: | | I've redacted the street address and phone numbers from the following screenshot: |
Time to call in the FBI...?
Sounds multi-state, there are many dedicated gumshoes out there who take personal threats, even coy insinuations such as these quite seriously. And maybe they'd even be glad to help shake a dog loose from his tree. Fight some winnable war for a change.
Webster Tarpley should also consider that he, in his broadcasts, clearly insinuates (if not clearly indicates) that he monitors 'truthaction.org'. So any presumed unawareness on the part of one Webster Tarpley of public and private hate-correspondence or YouTube propaganda... a vital tenet in his defense in the case of any hypothetical wrongdoing, would be a matter that would give any citizens' jury... cause for serious debate.
I can even see them reaching full consensus.
So what we have here in the actions of Dog4Tree... brings us to a definitive moment. One in which Tarpley himself might feel compelled to make a direct and public statement on whether he truly condones this type of action. And what his personal intent has been for the singling out of these individuals in the first place...
All real down to earth. Street addresses and phone numbers usually are.
I would not rule out the possibility that dog4tree's propaganda is some attempt to smear Tarpley by associating him with some sort of fringe element. But unless I hear from him I'd just play it straight -- fits the Razor better. A jury would take the straight path as well, juries are not typically known to follow elaborate conspiracy theories willingly...
We have here -- a tangible manifestation left as evidence of trespass.
Just watching Sparks' back, the only way I can -- from The Twilight Zone. ;--)
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The flight of Mr. Wilson has ended now, a flight not only from point A to point B, but also from the fear of recurring mental breakdown. Mr. Wilson has that fear no longer, though, for the moment, he is, as he said, alone in this assurance. Happily, his conviction will not remain isolated too much longer, for happily, tangible manifestation is very often left as evidence of trespass, even from so intangible a quarter as -- The Twilight Zone.
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Midnighter
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From the same Nico Haupt-connected site:
Provocateur much? |
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Midnighter
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imgstacke
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| so i guess these are supposed to illicit fear as well. Fear is there only weapon. |
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Col. Jenny Sparks
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My god! The sound quality on that video is crap! No one would listen to it long enough to "illicit fear".
In any case, given Nico and his mates' track record for accuracy, I'm sure it comes as a surprise to both Rowan and Josephus that they are in cahoots in anything...
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Col. Jenny Sparks
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A little more of the REAL Captain May, again, in his own words:
http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/Portland-Nuclear-Inquest/message/1183
| Quote: | Correcting Mr. Caldwell
Attention All Portland Nuclear Inquest Members:
I do not need your help to run this group, and certainly do not invite your public second guessing. In the future, if you have suggestions as to what you think I should consider, or how you think I should manage, then kindly bring them to my personal attention with a respectful note. That will save me the unpleasant task of rebuking you publicly, as I must do now -- or else every other person with half an idea will feel free to make himself or herself a co-moderator. My e-mail address is on every message I post.
While I am busy leading of this group to attempt a defense of Guam, Oregon and Arizona and against any possible false flag attack, please do me the kindness of staying out of my way. If you will think of me as your professor of infowar, and regard yourself as a freshman in my class, and we will do well. If you -- or anyone else -- believe that this is your classroom to run or your curriculum to define, then you should start your own group and depart mine. So far as I know, there is no one else in Portland Nuclear Inquest who has credentials or capacities like mine, and for the most part no one tries to tell me how to do my job.
Earnestly, Captain May |
And that's how he speaks to an ally of his, who was backing him up.
So much for "humble and unassuming"...
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casseia
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And here, if you scroll way down, he rebukes Carol Brouillet for addressing him as Eric instead of Capt. May! You gotta be kidding me...
Plus, he makes several tortured attempts to deny that he is an anti-Semite and offers to avoid using the terms Jew and Jewish if it would help! But prior to the offer he says
| Quote: | I understand your concern about being the target of criticism directed against me. I am consistently attacked as an anti-Semite and a half-crazed numerologist. On the latter point of the "embedded code," I think you have already researched my work and compared it with your own understanding of that subject well enough to know that my work in the area is not a matter of whimsy. When untrained people buy the National Enquirer to read their horoscopes, it's called superstition; but when an intelligence officer with a high IQ and linguistic background examines numeric sequencing as coding its called cryptanalysis.
As to my alleged anti-Semitism, I can state my position clearly. I believe that anti-Semitism is a form of racism, in that it presupposes that Jews have an ethnic predisposition on the basis of birth. That would be the Nazi argument, which I oppose. I believe that there is a phenomenon that we could identify as Jewish ethnocentricity -- which we generally call Zionism -- that is a key factor in shaping our national situation. Anyone who argues differently, so far as I can see it, is simply naïve. As to the particular article dug up to attack me, I don't think there's anything in it that was factually incorrect, so I offer no revisions. Anyone who thinks that the information media and entertainment media are not dominated by Jews is badly underinformed. I am distinct from my Internet opponents in that I actually have broad experience with the various media of which I speak, and I know exactly what I'm talking about.
That being said, count on me to be discreet as your guest, if you want me to appear. It would be impossible to talk sense without talking about Zionism, but I can avoid the words Jew and Jewish. Incidentally, I have friends who are Jewish -- although they are labeled self-hating Jews because they do not adhere to Zionist ideals. |
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No, no, no you fucking moron! Zionism is not THE SAME AS "Jewish ethnocentricity." It would be possible (and the Neturei Karta rabbis are probably a good example) to be very ethnocentric as a Jew and not support the colonization of Palestine, its ethnic cleansing, and "a Jewish state".
Oh my god, this man is even more of a nut than I thought! He's defending the "joo joo joo" article and its factual accuracy. Man, I HOPE Carol Brouillet gets the message -- Ginny Ross is obviously a lost cause.
Check out this site May links to in another message he posted:
http://www.holywesternempire.org/page2.html
This guy says -- and May posts it to the list! --
| Quote: | There is considerable difference between a Racialist and a Racist. The former expects each race to exist and prosper within its own territory.
America's Founding Fathers were Racialists. They founded a Republic for their White progeny - NOT a Democratic Racial Garbage Dump. |
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Arabesque
Joined: 08 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:26 am Post subject: |
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Kevin Barrett has interviewed May several times on his radio show.
http://www.oilempire.us/mujca.html
| Quote: | Why does both MUJCA and NY911Truth feature a blatant anti-semite on their sites?
Front page on ny911truth -
A Dawning Dictatorship? By Captain Eric H. May - Special Military Correspondent 8/6/07 http://www.ny911truth.org/
And MUJCA hosts Captain Eric May on quite a few pages . . .
http://www.mujca.com/captain.htm http://www.mujca.com/defazio.htm http://www.mujca.com/usmilitary.htm etc. ( a google search returns 14 entries)
He sounds reasonable enough on these pages, but apparently no one has read a single other thing the supposed "former" intelligence Captain speculating about numerology has written. One would imagine that the Jewish members of the Muslim Christian Jewish Alliance might take offense, but apparently they haven't noticed either. |
| Quote: | I cannot possibly dismiss the arguments of people like Green, Irving, and even Zundel. And even if the 6-million-deliberately-murdered-for-purely-ethnic-reasons figure is correct--which it very well may be; I have grown agnostic on that after studying the Big Lies of Zionism-- I would still have to characterize the Holocaust as it is taught in the US as a hideously destructive myth. [...] The upshot: nobody in the debate should be boycotted or vilified; nobody should be arrested for expressing honestly-held opinions; all voices should be heard; and the destructive myths and mind-numbing censorship imposed by Zionism must be swept clean so an honest assessment of history can emerge--at which point the Holocaust revisionists may very well be proven incorrect. And even if they are, they obviously should not be harassed or vilified, much less jailed!! In the meantime, voices like Green and AFPN should be heard and subjected to rational criticism, not vilified or silenced. And the use of state power to enforce Holocaust Fundamentalism must end!
Kevin |
Note Mr. Barrett's words "they obviously should not be harassed or vilified, much less jailed!!" What about writers who don't discuss 9/11? He has a completely different idea about what we should do with them:
| Quote: | | My response to that was, you know, I think that anybody who has drawn a paycheck from the major mainstream journalistic outlets in the past should be up on the scaffold for the crimes of high treason and crimes against humanity." |
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/09/911-truth-dialog-false-adversaries-and.html
What about those who discuss TV fakery and Directed Energy Weapons?
| Quote: | | Many participants lamented the phenomenon of “internet lynch mobs” comprised of angry emailers and bloggers demanding that this or that researcher be banished for heresy. Often these internet lynch mobs are made up of people who have not carefully studied the research issues that they so confidently pronounce on. |
http://www.mujca.com/madisonconference.htm
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"The way I study [social interaction] is through dialog... I think we could use a little more conviviality within the Truth movement... one reason for that is that we want people to join us... by reaching out to them in a conviviality way... people will come on board... I think we need to enjoy dialog including with people that we don't agree with... [especially] non-9/11 truth people... I want dialog with [people who support the official story]--dialog is good... this is the key to the politics that we need to practice..." |
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/09/911-truth-dialog-false-adversaries-and.html
| Quote: | Dear Mr. Green,
I read with great interest your essay "Holocaust Fundamentalism - You WILL Believe" just now, and am eager to forward it to Ghost Troop, my associates (military veterans and civilian supporters). We have come to be astute in the importance of body-count numbers to political purposes, and aren't a bit surprised to find that thoughtful men like you are questioning "official reality" in the Holocaust.
Best regards, and good luck with your scholarship!
Captain May / Ghost Troop |
http://www.oilempire.us/mujca.html
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Col. Jenny Sparks
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:05 am Post subject: It's all coming out now.... |
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The PDX 911 Truth Alliance is clearly supporting May's side of the story:
http://www.911truthgroups.org/Default.aspx?alias=www.911truthgroups.org/portland
I was just off to bed, for the third time, when I saw that.
Now, I say "PDX 911 Truth Alliance" but it could be the "Portland 911 Truth Alliance", or whatever they're calling themselves this week.
They're pushing Tarpley, Fetzer and May--oh, my! And the OTA must support all that too--they're sharing mutual links to each other.
Your two approved choices of "911Truth" in Portland...
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Hocus Locus
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Captain May quotes Ron Paul weirdly
(Nuclear Dictatorship -- the Portland Plan 07-Oct-2007)
"We should remember that Iran, like Iraq, is a third-world nation without a significant military. Nothing in history hints that she is likely to invade a neighboring country, let alone do anything to America or Israel. I am concerned, however, that a contrived... incident may occur to gain popular support for an attack on Iran."
Congressman Ron Paul to the US House of Representatives, Jan. 11, 2007 |
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Hocus quotes Ron Paul accurately
(In BFN post 20-May-2007, A GULF OF TONKIN INTERMISSION)
SAID, before the US House of Representatives in a speech on 11-Jan-2007
WROTE, in Texas Straight Talk column on 15-Jan-2007
Rumors are flying about when, not if, Iran will be bombed by either Israel or the U.S.-- possibly with nuclear weapons. Our CIA says Iran is ten years away from producing a nuclear bomb and has no delivery system, but this does not impede our plans to keep “everything on the table” when dealing with Iran.
We should remember that Iran, like Iraq, is a third-world nation without a significant military. Nothing in history hints that she is likely to invade a neighboring country, let alone do anything to America or Israel. I am concerned, however, that a contrived Gulf of Tonkin-type incident may occur to gain popular support for an attack on Iran.
Even if such an attack is carried out by Israel over U.S. objections, we will be politically and morally culpable since we provided the weapons and dollars to make it possible.
Mr. Speaker, let’s hope I’m wrong about this one. |
Looky how Paul's words were spun slightly, an ellipsis in place of 'Gulf of Tonkin-type'.
That's just f...ing weird. I cannot imagine Gulf of Tonkin as a taboo subject.
Perhaps leaving in 'Gulf of Tonkin' wasn't Homeland sounding enough? For shame.
Captain May: why the weirdness? Why the tunnel vision? Actually aside from the weirdness and a great deal of over the top stuff, 'Nuclear Dictatorship' has some interesting items. And the B52 incident deserves speculation.
I'd like to call you on the cite of the Ha'aretz poll though: Ha'aretz article on May 18: "Poll: 71% of Israelis want U.S. to strike Iran if talks fail."
If a whopping 29% of Israelis don't want the U.S. to move into Iran -- the world is becoming a better place. That is an astounding figure really. Do not under-estimate the power of that 29%. ;-)
I'll take your bait and toss a card out here at truthaction.org,
(1) YES, I do believe that neocons or their neopuppet-masters might think it's a keen idea (or be threatened and blackmailed into acceding to) a plan to hit the homeland under 'cover' of a drill. As may have happened on 9/11. But it's just as easy to believe that they do have some autonomy and would think it's a ridiculous, horrible idea.
Either is plausible. But I don't stop there.
The actual 'perp scenarios' of TOPHAT -- not the hardware deloyed, the ultra-spooky tinfoil about networked computer based Management Information Systems, my God this is Michael Ruppert and PROMIS all over again! Possibility number two,
(2) TOPHAT is well publicized as to general objective, place and dates. Is it possible that some foreign power or intelligence group (NO names) is moving in tandem with these events -- as anyone with a newspaper or Internet access could do, setting up their own show? So that when this something 'does happen', it's not because some drill was flipped 'live', it's really happening? It is plausible, possible to speculate along those lines.
The scenarios. They happen to be things that are possible, doable by almost anyone, not just 'top brass'. A conventional bomb with enough rads to get the Geiger counters going, that's the whole show.
My question for Captain May: have you represented (2) possibility to your people? Are you stoking people to a level of awareness for these drills that is actually not a hightened level of awareness, but is actually a narrowly focused awareness? 'Inside information' that might simply be incorrect? That might make them less aware of all the possibilities, therefore more vulnerable to confusion, should something happen, yet not (1)?
To me its as likely as the other, easy since I hold that there was evidential neocon awareness and complicity in 9/11, but I'm not sure there isn't an inner layer, and the full scope of the 9/11 event may have been misrepresented to them. (Talk about drill flipping.) And there is also everyone's favorite possibility, considering the alternatives,
(3) Nothing is 'slated' for those days, except some drills being carried out by some folks who are probably getting some confused and excited intel that also, some degree of domestic protest or actions of (to them) bizarre and unpredictable nature.
(4) Something happens on those days. Just none of the above. This includes a 'Gulf of Tonkin' event far from Portland, yet one that might be deadlier (to the US armed forces) than its PSYOP namesake.
What I'm really asking 'Commander' May is, have you truly prepared your 'people' for all FOUR of these possibilities in appropriate measure? Is there a general game plan that doesn't pre-suppose (1) in some form or another? And what position -- do think -- would your people be in if (2) actually occured, and they played it by your book as if it was (1)?
Or a less diplomatic way of posing the question, are you empowering activists to a level of situational 'battle awareness'... or merely laying plans could place them at a disadvantage, like sheep heading for a pen?
I'm not saying or implying that's your objective -- at all. Consider me an outspoken theorist who strives for full coverage of the theater, not a spitting pundit.
And no I'm not confusing your group with 'No Terror Portland', I agree it looks odd and your statement was fairly made.
And don't think for a minute I lack the belly to explore dark little corners of the most likely false-flag scenario of this age. (HL BFN thread 03-Jan-2007)
Just, to me, this whole 'drill protest' thing, the blind confidence that it is expedient and wise to vehemently oppose and imply an objective to 'shut down' such operations (and could you, really?)... with a distinct overture of 'direct resistence' and a side of '9/11 truth flavor'... this sounds like a bad call.
As sniping at truthaction.org and individuals is a bad call. That's getting beyond weird, to 'due dilligence' annoying.
As I see it.
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