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[chrisc]

There is an interesting article on 911Blogger which didn't make the front page, David Ray Griffin Burrows Further Down the Rabbit Hole of No-Phone-Calls-From-the-Planes which asks a good question:

[CV]

I am inclined to agree that the cell phones issue is another honeypot like no-plane/pod-plane.

[Nunyabiz]

well number one the voice morphing has been around for many years and is not far fetched by any means.

http://mi.eng.cam.ac.uk/~hy216/VoiceMorphingSeminar.pdf

I fail to see how anyone could believe a word these criminals say, DRG's speculation is FAR more plausible than what the OCT states.
ALL of the calls made sound fishy as hell to me.
We know for a fact that cell phones would not have worked and IF they did then why weren't there more calls made?
Out of 265 people I find it hard to believe only 3-4 had cell phones, try about 80-150 would have.

Odds are slim to none that more than one plane had air phones and there is no proof that I have seen that shows ANY plane had an air phone. For that matter I haven't seen any proof of cell phone calls either.

BUT no matter what the problem with this line of questioning is that there never will be any proof, so it will always be pure speculation.

[Col. Jenny Sparks]

[YT]

[Hocus Locus]

In Loooose Change 1&2

* Mark Bingham says "I'm calling from the Airfone"
* The news article even got the fonetic speling rite.
* They show the words he says.
* They read the words he says.
* They go on to present Professor Dewdney's cell phone piece.

Maybe that's just what happens when you make a movie with no input from anyone over 30? ;-)
That is, except for Professor Dewdney? ;-) ;-)

[Nunyabiz]

and here is how worthless talking about the calls is.

I have seen several "Mark Bingham" transcripts and have never seen him say "I'm calling from the Airfone"

Airfones were only installed on less than 1000 planes total on Continental Airlines, Delta Air Lines, United Airlines and US Airways.

NONE on American Airlines or any of the other airlines.
So an airfone call was "possible" on UA93 but there were no Airfones on flights 11 or 77.

So if ANY calls were claimed from flights 11 or 77 they were from cell phones only which makes them a LIE.
and if those are fake then how can we believe the rest?

There is just way too much speculation with no proof.

[chrisc]

[Nunyabiz]

I stand corrected.

I managed to find this from the Toronto Sun which is the only place I can see this quote coming from.

""In an alternate version, he says, “I’m in the air, I’m calling you on the Airfone. I’m calling you from the plane. We’ve been taken over. There are three men that say they have a bomb.” [Toronto Sun, 9/16/2001]"

http://cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=mark_bingham

Apparently all of these are nothing but made up "versions" by whatever reporter decided to write, there is no "transcript" from any tape of anykind from anywhere, which makes it all pure hearsay at best.

[chrisc]

Above I said that I have always felt a bit uneasy at over the way the MSM focus on the phones calls when they use footage of DRG but here we have him using more column inches for this aspect of 9/11 than any other... following is a quote from an article by DRG in The Canadian from two days ago about the new edition of Debunking 911 Debunking:

[AtomicBomb]

[Nunyabiz]

I agree, I happen to think that DRG is 100% correct myself because it is the only theory that makes much sense.
However the only problem is that there is no way to prove or disprove anything about the calls so it is all nothing but speculation.

Therefore I think very little time should be spent on it.

Stick to what can be proven.

[Hocus Locus]

Another thing to remember if it's a mix of Airfone and cell is that these people were in atypical situations on planes following atypical flight patterns. Toward the end the planes were completing long descents into Metro areas. Using cell phones on final approach is mostly untested because we defer to 'common sense' and just don't test the rule. Dewdney's piece was dilligent but wasn't even conducted along 9/11 flight paths. For some of the cell calls precise time from company records is not generally known and published, time stamps of answering machines can be off, so there's some slack or uncertainty on true time, therefore altitude and position. But Sweeney for one, if she 'saw buildings', at that altitude her cell phone would clearly see towers.

http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html

for those who haven't seen it, is a well done topic by topic treatment of Loose Change that does an excellent job separating the mysterious and relevant tidbits from some outright tinfoil, some of it kind of tenuous and crude.

It even manages to step lightly in a place where I cannot, the '9/11 disappearance theories' that are taken to absurd extreme to place some families of the victims into an odd and unfair conundrum: rally behind 9/11 by standing behind 'loose change', endorse tinfoil conspiracy. The 'Cleveland landing' and 'telephone calls' in particular show a level of insensitivity that is at once disturbing and at times outright shocking.

And some of the most shocking bits have survived subsequent edits.

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[dicktater]

posted by GW at 911b:

"David Ray Griffin wrote the following response to a criticism of his writings and arguments about cell phones."

Formatted. Read it there:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/11930

[Nunyabiz]

excellent rebuttal as always and reinforces why I believe DRG's theory 100% over whom we know for certain are known liars (FBI,CIA,FAA,NORAD, All Bushites etc).

DRG's makes sense and has some evidence to back it up.
The OCT has nothing whatsoever to back it up.

We know that if the plane was above 2000' that making a cell phone call would have been next to impossible.
We know that at least 2 planes did not have airfones because American Airlines doesn't have them.