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Adam1
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 Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Kevin Barrett article in support of "Political Pone |
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Oh, by the way, chrisc, let us know when you have found some actual victims of this "cult", ok? |
| Quote: | From Knight Jadczyk's Sign of the Times website
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Cassiopaea relies completely on individual reader contributions. This allows us to keep our independence."
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If you are looking for victims, how about starting with the apparently fairly long list of people who are having their wallets fleeced by this individual.
Religion is BIG business. |
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funhouse1970
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: Kevin Barrett article in support of "Political Pone |
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| Keenan wrote: | | chrisc wrote: | Kevin Barrett has written an article in The Canadian, Twilight of the Psychopaths which appears to take a lot from a book it references:
| Kevin Barrett wrote: | | In Political Ponerology, Andrzej Lobaczewski explains that clinical psychopaths enjoy advantages even in non-violent competitions to climb the ranks of social hierarchies. |
This book appears to be one of the key texts of the cassiopaea cult, it has it's own web site and Kevin Barrett's article has been reproduced on their site. |
Have you read the article in The Canadian, chrisc? No? What about the book Political Ponerology? |
I posit that the Cassiopaea cult is to political ponerology (as a subject of study) as the No Planers are to 9/11 Truth.
Alan Watt also echos the message of Barrett's article and the PP book.
http://www.alanwattsentientsentinel.eu/ |
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Keenan
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Kevin Barrett article in support of "Political Pone |
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| funhouse1970 wrote: |
I posit that the Cassiopaea cult is to political ponerology (as a subject of study) as the No Planers are to 9/11 Truth.
Alan Watt also echos the message of Barrett's article and the PP book.
http://www.alanwattsentientsentinel.eu/ |
Again, funhouse, have you read it? No? Oh, ok. Just another uninformed Ad Hominem "opnion" based on your baseless "posit", then? So...what is your "opinion" worth, then?
By the way, do you know what political ponerology means? Why don't you show us just how much you (don't) know about this subject by defining it for us, won't you please? And then, maybe you can tell us who created the term? No? And we should care about your "opinion" because...why, again? |
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Nicholas
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| "Psychopaths": I read that before I noticed the author and felt many of its insights, especially in the first half, evinced a brilliant mind - so sad that Barrett's overall impact has been undeniably dubious, with the at-times rabid and violent rhetoric, the persistent enabling of "Brother" Reynolds et al., the Morroccan stunt, etc. |
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chrisc
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: Laura Knight Jadczyk and Judy Wood's space beams |
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| Keenan wrote: | | Have you read the article in The Canadian, chrisc? No? |
Yes I read it before posting about it here.
| Keenan wrote: | | What about the book Political Ponerology? No? I didn't think so. |
You are right I haven't read the book.
| Keenan wrote: | | Oh, by the way, chrisc, let us know when you have found some actual victims of this "cult", ok? |
You appear to be one -- why do you feel the need to defend someone who's explanation for the mode of collapse of the WTC towers is essentially a plagiarised version of Judy Wood's totally discredited space beams nonsense with the added twist of UFOs and aliens  |
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Keenan
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: Kevin Barrett article in support of "Political Pone |
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| Adam1 wrote: | | Keenan wrote: |
Oh, by the way, chrisc, let us know when you have found some actual victims of this "cult", ok? |
| Quote: | From Knight Jadczyk's Sign of the Times website
"Support Cassiopaea!
Cassiopaea relies completely on individual reader contributions. This allows us to keep our independence."
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If you are looking for victims, how about starting with the apparently fairly long list of people who are having their wallets fleeced by this individual.
Religion is BIG business. |
"Having their wallets fleeced by this individual?" Did this "individual" use a gun? Did she drug the "victims" and then steel their money? Have any of this "long list of people" filed charges, or even complained that they were tricked? Oh, that's right. I forgot that if you or chrisc claims that they are victims, then that is all the proof we need, and therefore doesn't require that they identify THEMSELVES as victims.
I agree with your statement that "Religion is BIG business". So, I guess that makes about 85% of the population victims of "cults", then? So, I gues the real queston then is, if everyone is part of a cult, then maybe "cult" has completely lost its original meaning. |
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Keenan
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: Laura Knight Jadczyk and Judy Wood's space beams |
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You are right I haven't read the book.
| Keenan wrote: | | Oh, by the way, chrisc, let us know when you have found some actual victims of this "cult", ok? |
You appear to be one -- why do you feel the need to defend someone who's explanation for the mode of collapse of the WTC towers is essentially a plagiarised version of Judy Wood's totally discredited space beams nonsense with the added twist of UFOs and aliens |
1) Too bad, you might actually learn something and have something substantive so say if you read the book.
2) Laura Knight is not the author of the book, Political Ponerology. Andrew M. Lobaczewski, a Polish scientists, is the author.
3) Another straw man argument. I have never defended the view that space beams and/or aliens destroyed the WTC. I simply argued, and I still argue, that you have failed to show that Laura Knight is a leader of a "cult" and that you don't appear to understand the difinition of a cult. I know that I've had to re-explain this to you numerous times, but you are apparently going to continue ignoring what I actually said and will continue using straw man arguments. Seems par for the course. |
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funhouse1970
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: Kevin Barrett article in support of "Political Pone |
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[quote="Keenan"] | funhouse1970 wrote: |
I posit that the Cassiopaea cult is to political ponerology (as a subject of study) as the No Planers are to 9/11 Truth.
Alan Watt also echos the message of Barrett's article and the PP book.
http://www.alanwattsentientsentinel.eu/ |
| Keenan wrote: |
Again, funhouse, have you read it? No? Oh, ok. Just another uninformed Ad Hominem "opnion" based on your baseless "posit", then? So...what is your "opinion" worth, then? |
Yes I read Barrett's article. I would sum it up with his statement: "The only conspiracy that matters is the conspiracy of the psychopaths against the rest of us." I agree wholeheartedly with this statement.
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By the way, do you know what political ponerology means? Why don't you show us just how much you (don't) know about this subject by defining it for us, won't you please? And then, maybe you can tell us who created the term? No? And we should care about your "opinion" because...why, again? |
Whoa, Keenan. I'm not sure that we're on different sides of the argument. IMO Political Ponerology could be a legitimate field of study someday - my understanding of the definition is PP = the study of Evil in Politics. You can substitute less theologically loaded terms like "Psychopathy" for "Evil".
I haven't read Political Ponerology by Andrzej Lobaczewski - I guess he created the term. If in the epilogue he says reptoids from planet x run everything OR IF HIS PUBLISHING COMPANY promotes this then you know it is classic baby-with-the-bathwater disinfo like David Icke.
Alan Watt is a ponerologist who has no turds in the punchbowl (or only a few - haven't totally made up mind mind, probably never will). Ever heard of him? |
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chrisc
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:16 am Post subject: "The Scam of the Millennium Revealed " |
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| Keenan wrote: | | "Having their wallets fleeced by this individual?" Did this "individual" use a gun? Did she drug the "victims" and then steel their money? Have any of this "long list of people" filed charges, or even complained that they were tricked? Oh, that's right. I forgot that if you or chrisc claims that they are victims, then that is all the proof we need, and therefore doesn't require that they identify THEMSELVES as victims. |
Didn't you see this?
| Quote: | The Scam of the Millennium Revealed
Or how to pretend to raffle your house, swindle your followers and escape to France on the loot…In which Laura Knight Jadczyk admits they took the money and ran and tries to blame the people she left behind holding the bag!
The story of the house raffle scam really began over a year ago , on the summer solstice 2002, when a conclave of the faithful was held at the old Cassiopaean headquarters in New Port Richey, Florida. At the meeting, the idea of a raffle was discussed, although it took several months for the importance of the idea to sink in. By October of 2002, however, the plan was in motion.
It was a very simple idea, at least at first. Hold a raffle under the auspices of the Perseus Foundation and give away your house to the winner. Take the money from the raffle and pay off the mortgage on the house, and then use the rest to move to France
But that’s apparently not the way things worked out.
The first problem was the Perseus Foundation. It had been filed as a nonprofit corporation in the state of Florida in December of 1999, and filed with the IRS as a 501(c) 3 educational nonprofit in April of 2000. But because of Laura and Ark’s failure to provide adequate documentation, mission statement, financial and operating structure and so on, they had never received their letter of authorization. As part of their plan, they needed the Perseus Foundation to be a legal nonprofit, and so in the fall of 2002 filed the paperwork needed to receive their authorization. In November of 2002, just as their raffle was getting underway, they received notification that another Perseus Foundation existed, the one in Gaithersburg, Maryland, and that further information was required before authorization was granted. This information was supplied in late July 2003, but they have yet to receive a letter of authorization giving them official 501c3 status.
However, even if the Perseus Foundation is found to be a legally constituted nonprofit organization, there is still the question of the raffle. To be legal in the state of Florida a raffle must be sponsored by a legitimate nonprofit organization, and very strict rules must be followed in accounting for the money taken in, and, most important of all, the announcement of winners. By state law, the name of the winner must be publicly posted, and must be supplied to any interested person who requests it.
To date, nothing has ever been heard, even by those who bought a raffle ticket, concerning the winner of the raffle. During our investigation, we heard from several people who bought raffle tickets. Here’s a few comments:
| Quote: | | “I bought a raffle ticket on December 12th, 2002, by paypal. The money was withdrawn from my account on December 13th. I purchased another one on January 22nd, again by paypal, and again the money was withdrawn the next day. I never received any other notification, no actual number or ticket with a number. In response to my inquiries as to how the raffle was to be conducted, Ms. Jadczyk informed me that they had that part “taken care of,” and that they would let everyone know who won. That was two days before the raffle. A week later, I tried to get in touch and received no response to my emails or phone calls. A few days later, the phone was disconnected. I have yet to receive any kind of word concerning the outcome of the raffle.” |
| Quote: | | “In December of 2002, I sent the Jadczyk’s a check, #6548, for three raffle tickets. The check was cashed by a New Port Richey bank on January 3rd, 2003. The check is endorsed to an account in the name of the Perseus Foundation, and signed by Dr. A. Jadczyk. In February of 2003, I began to try to get in touch with them to see if I had won. No response. I have yet to hear anything from them at all. They simply cashed my check and disappeared.” |
The raffle was supposedly held on the last day of January 2003. Within ten days, the Cassiopaeans would be gone on what they hoped would be their escape to France.
So what happened to the money?
From our sources inside the cult, it would appear that they raised between $100,000 and $150,000 from raffle sales and outright donations to the Perseus Foundation. As this money was collected in large measure by electronic means, there remains a paper trail in bank records, paypal transactions and so on. Which means that a record remains of perhaps 80% of the money collected, money that will have to be accounted for under the provisions of their nonprofit authorization, assuming that even at this late date they actually have one.
Non-profits may make money, conduct fund raising and even run businesses, as long as none of that revenue ends up benefiting the members, directors or board of the organization. Both David Duke, the racist KKK leader turned politician, and Jim Bakker, charismatic televangelist, ended up doing federal time over just such improprieties in their non-profits. They thought of the stream of donations to their cause as their personal cookie jar, and were shocked to learn that the world didn’t agree.
Laura Knight Jadczyk appears to be equally shocked to learn that she is also accountable for her actions. Her response has been to call us “psychopaths” and Cosmic Organic Portal COINTELPRO agents for wanting answers to reasonable questions. This may be good enough for the duped minions in the cult, however few of those remain, but we doubt it will sway the IRS.
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http://cassiopaeacult.com/raffle.php |
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Adam1
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:10 am Post subject: Re: Kevin Barrett article in support of "Political Pone |
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| Keenan wrote: |
Oh, by the way, chrisc, let us know when you have found some actual victims of this "cult", ok? |
| Quote: | From Knight Jadczyk's Sign of the Times website
"Support Cassiopaea!
Cassiopaea relies completely on individual reader contributions. This allows us to keep our independence."
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If you are looking for victims, how about starting with the apparently fairly long list of people who are having their wallets fleeced by this individual.
Religion is BIG business. |
| Keenan wrote: |
"Having their wallets fleeced by this individual?" Did this "individual" use a gun? Did she drug the "victims" and then steel their money? Have any of this "long list of people" filed charges, or even complained that they were tricked? Oh, that's right. I forgot that if you or chrisc claims that they are victims, then that is all the proof we need, and therefore doesn't require that they identify THEMSELVES as victims. |
That means Keenan's definition of "cult" has been given the Rove spun torture treatment to a point that only someone literally having one of their major organs ripped out of their chest cavity by a CIA interrogator's bare hands qualifies as torture and only someone whose liver is literally being fed to a Evil Priest in a Satanic Mass qualifies as a being defined as a cult member.
We're not allowing Keenan, who thinks talking to aliens on a Ouija board is reasonable but anythying out of the audio and video NASA archives is ridiculous, define the terms of the discussion on anything.
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I agree with your statement that "Religion is BIG business". So, I guess that makes about 85% of the population victims of "cults", then? So, I gues the real queston then is, if everyone is part of a cult, then maybe "cult" has completely lost its original meaning. |
No, most of the people giving to these cults aren't true believers. They have a close family member they are shutting up by giving them money. That what happened with my best friend's family when my best friend's brother went Hari Krishna. That's what happened to an uncle and adult cousins when a cousin wound up in a fundy Christian cult in Colorado Springs.
When you count all the people that are themselves true believer "about to be Raptured off an Earth that was created by Jesus Dad 6000 years ago" Fundy Christians? 20% total.
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chrisc
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:39 am Post subject: "9/11 The Ultimate Truth" |
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| Keenan wrote: | | I have never defended the view that space beams and/or aliens destroyed the WTC. |
But you have plugged her book and site in very clear terms on another site:
| Keenan wrote: | 9/11 The Ultimate Truth
Submitted by Keenan on Fri, 2007-06-15 07:36.
I probably already recommended this book to you on 911Blogger, but I just wanted to share this with everybody that this book, "9/11 The Ultimate Truth", is the only book on 9/11 that I know of that really analyzes the WHO and WHY behind the 9/11, including a thorough discussion of the whole Israel/Zionist role.
http://www.qfgpublishing.com/product_info.php?products_id=52
http://www.amazon.com/11-Ultimate-Truth-Laura-Knight-Jadczyk/dp/1897244223/
Also, check out the forum discussion on their alternative news website http://www.signs-of-the-times.org for some of the most intelligent, well researched, and credible information regarding the whole Zionism thing and 9/11, among other things. The forum is moderated, but it is probably the most intelligent and useful internet forum I've ever used.
They have excellent discussions regarding disinformation and credibility of sources and personalities within the alternative/conspiracy community. So far, their analysis has not led me wrong. |
Perhaps the first edition doesn't have the stuff she ripped off from Judy Wood in it?
| Quote: | | The new Second Edition of 9/11: The Ultimate Truth has been updated with new material detailing the real reasons for the collapse of the World Trade Center towers, the central role played by agents of the state of Israel in the attacks, and how the arrogant Bush government is now forced to dance to the Zionists' tune. |
And before you ask, no, I haven't read either edition... |
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Winston Fahrenheit
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Laura Knight-Jadczyk has made editors notes and written and Editor's Preface to the book Political Ponerology by Andrew M. Lobaczewski.
The editor's preface (written by the "Cultist" Laura Knight-Jadcyzk) from what I can see apart from having the obvious and heavy melodramatic edge, opening with "The book you hold in your hand is the most important book you will ever read", doesn't allude to any cultist lizards from space, massive Xenu type experimentation via inter-dimensional vortex realities.
Interesting quotes from Laura Knight-Jadcyzk's introduction
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It is true that, man, as a rule and in general is powerless against cosmic and geological catastrophes, and it has long been said that the average man can't really do anything about military onslaughts, social injustice, personal and familial misfortunes, and a host of assaults against his existence too numerous to list.
This is about to change. The book you hold in your hand is going to give you answers to many of the questions about Evil in our world.
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Regarding blocks to awareness, I need to state for the record that I have spent 30 years studying psychology, history, culture, religion, myth and the so-called paranormal. I have never received any academic degrees, so I am not a "professional" in that respect.
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Dr. Stout's book .... in a very early chapter, she describes a "composite" case where the subject spent his childhood days blowing up frogs with fire-crackers. It is widely known the George W. Bush did this. The subject is also described as graduating college with a C average - which Bush did at Yale - so one naturally wonders...
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But in the end, only the individual victim can determine what they have lost in the dynamic - and it is often far more than material goods. In a certain sense, it seems that psychopaths are soul eaters or "Psychophagic".
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The edits she has made to the book are done with some other guy called Henry See (who might be a fellow cultist I don't know) . They amount to references, definitions of words, and "helpful" general elaboration in small type footnotes. From what I've read, nothing relates to oujia board using space aliens, reptilians or Xenu. However this is not defence of the indefensible Laura and her insane ramblings away from this book, far from it, they are to be exposed, ridiculed for what they are, and avoided like the Fetzer (neologism in a turn of phrase on my part there!). I've included links to two pages from the book, as scans, where the "editor" has added footnotes in small type - typical of Laura & Henry's "edits" of this book.
The links are:
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4761/scan0001bn4.jpg
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http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8929/scan0009is9.jpg
(this edit includes a specific footnote to 9/11 as an example of Poltical Ponerology)
Obviously some people will want to read the book, without any edits ,despite them being from what I can tell as only in the form of footnote additions rather than entire re-workings of the original text. Edits in a broader sense may color the perception, appreciation, understanding or even general reading of the actual text itself, in this respect they aren't helpful. Especially when done by someone who makes bizarre claims re: trans-dimensional aliens, this will always be in the back of the minds of readers who know of them.
I think however, this is a classic case of "Baby and Bathwater" she's obviously a cultist, who has money and can buy the rights to a reasonable important work such as Political Ponerology by Andrew M. Lobaczewski. I don't doubt for a second she is pure disinformation best to be avoided. This kind of thing has happened before with important 9/11 truth films for example (recent past) being brought out by people with money who have other agendas to promote - it's all part of the business plan.
It's quite sad she may have only put in about $10,000 to get this published, but $10,000 is $10,000, she obviously knows how to spot an opportunity. I don't have $10,000 and wouldn't know where to start publishing books etc. I brought it directly from Red Pill press, as it's not readily available on amazon ("small independent publishing house"), that's her publishing house I think. The book came with postcards and a book mark advertising the website "signs-of-the-times.org" which I haven't visited. So far no cultist nuts have knocked on my door, and I haven't received any unsolicited cultist nut ouija board, Xenu Scientology garbage in the mail. If I do, I shall let you know.
I brought the book because allegedly Zbiginew Brzezinski blocked it's publication in 1984, it's more of a psychological, philosophical educational treatise. Andrew M. Lobaczewski states he was a clinical psychologist/psychotherapist.
There are other books on Evil, and "political evil-psychopathy", (Animal Farm and 1984 are two  ) but Evil Inside Human Violence and Cruelty by Roy F. Baumeister (Forensic Psychiatrist) is a good one.
Slightly less good is "The Sociopath Nextdoor" by Martha Stout, which is a too pop-psychology for my liking. Also a review on Amazon.com of this book alludes specifically to it not getting to the heart of the matter, potentially confusing the issue, and promoting various myths such as post "9/11 Judeo-Christian civilisation" mythology, and readily accepting of the fact 9/11 was carried out by the Sociopath in the "cave next door".
Interestingly Laura Knight-Jadcyzk quotes Matha Stout directly for 2 pages in her preface.
Sociopath is a more politically correct way of describing a psychopath, herein lies the possible deliberate obfuscation, there are psychopaths that aren't sociopathic - they don't obviously harm society, they aren't obviously "anti-social" thus in prison. They are the Tony Bliars of this world.
Further, the term Psychopath, as originally defined by Cleckley (1941) isn't limited to illegal activities; as the term Sociopath would lead you to believe. It encompasses manipulativeness, insincerity, egocentricity, lack of guilt, "Machiavellianism", lack of compassion or concern for the feelings of other people. These kinds of characteristics are seen in parents, children, spouses, bosses, attorneys, politicians, doctors, lawyers etc. The study by Salekin et al, found that 5% of a sample from a University population could be considered psychopathic (1:10 Male to Female) The study went on to say they returned to Cleckley's original 1941 definition of psychopathy as a personality type, not only evident amongst criminals, but also among all individuals in a community.
Salekin, Trobst, Krioukova "Construct Validity of Psychopathy in a Community Sample: A Nomological Net Approach" Journal of Personality Disorders, 15(5), (2001), 425-441.
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medicis
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I've always like Robert Cleckley's definition best. But, be that as it may, DSM-IV does use that diagnostic entity. You can explain the same behavior using a combination of extant diagnoses... oh a mixed personality disorder with antisocial, paranoid and narcissistic features coupled with a bit of Bipolar I (if you want real "Energy" ) with dashes of flavors including a history of abuse, absence of attachment, subscription to the National Review,.....
That's one reason why I never subscribed to the 'ponerology' meme. Yeh, a large number of emotional dysfunctionals gyrate towards power positions. How else to satisfy the underlying paranoia and need for control? Some are more out there 'in your face' but others hide in the shadows... 'pends upon the degree of narcissism... and so on. Also don't forget that some.... -some- folks seek positions of power for more 'nobler' reasons.... and are actually honorable.... hmmm.... can't seem to think of one off hand.... Oh. maybe Dennis K.? Ron Paul?..... who knows?
That said, I have to admit I've listened to Alan Watt and enjoyed him.... but I haven't listened to much. I do get annoyed at him though because he 'stole' (more or less), Alan Watts' name........ |
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Winston Fahrenheit
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Yeah agreed, we can roll the dice and come up with a personality cocktail to suit.
As for Alan Watt, there's no doubt he says some interesting stuff. I'm not too much of an intellectual snob to admit he introduced me to Jacques Ellul. Some would describe part of his act as Ponerology Exposure/Discussion and elaboration.
I do tend to get tired of his not too intelligent word punning, association, and illogical elaboration, some examples:
It's the big idea, EYE-dea, the all seeing EYE.
Al Gore, the allegory, he's an allegory that man, to tell us a story, the story of global warming.
Doctor, to indoctrinate.
Princess Di, I knew she was going to DIE, when they started calling her Princess Die.
Believe, be lie Eve, you be lie to Eve, the children of Eve to lie to them, we are all the children of Eve, you BeLieEve you see.
Has anyone else noticed this?
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Col. Jenny Sparks
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| Quote: | | I do tend to get tired of his not to intelligent word punning, association, and illogical elaboration, |
Master of understatement you are. God, those are horrible!
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