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Arabesque



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

imgstacke wrote:
Thanks Arabesque - i couldn't resist!


LOL.

It suits you I think.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arabesque wrote:
imgstacke wrote:
Thanks Arabesque - i couldn't resist!


LOL.

It suits you I think.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I updated this article, which is relevant here:

9/11 Truth and Division: Disinformation, Agent Provocateurs, and False Adversaries
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome thread Jenny! Thanks!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bump
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's come to my attention that someone has written an article out there, on this exact same subject, about the same source:

Quote:
January 05, 2009
Paid "blog attack" armies flood blogs with comments

As a 9/11 truth activist, I read a fair amount of what is written about 9/11--whether in the mainstream media, the alternative media, or on sites that I have learned to trust. Frequently the comments are polarized: those of us who know the awful truth, and another group, much angrier, seemingly younger and much less well educated: those who are enraged that anyone would even suggest that the government lied to us about 9/11.

Who are these people who are apparently oblivious to the hundreds of well documented lies from the Bush administration?

Here's a clue: a company that advertises blog armies to "flood the zone with comments from professionals who are ready to put your talking points on the blogosphere 24/7."

Next time you're engaged in a nasty debate with someone who seems to have unlimited amounts of time to rebut your every point in the most scathing way possible, you might just be arguing with a member of one of these paid blog armies.


In the comment they say:

Quote:
If you go to their URL you get this message:

Account suspended. Account for domain advantageconsultants.org has been suspended

The site was operative as of 5 days ago. I last accessed it at 7:30 pm on January 5, the day I posted their ad to my blog.

Perhaps I am giving them some unwelcome publicity?


Not bloody likely considering this ad was actually promoted at the Winning Campaigns site:

http://winning-campaigns.org/blue-ribbon/petition-gathering.html

Also, that ad was unavailable at their site when I published it in 2007. The only reason it exists is because Lunkhead at DKos saved it in their imageshack account:

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/9835/rentatrollmu5.jpg

And since it was for the 2007 political campaign season, it would be very peculiar for it to still be up in 2009 in any case.

Thing is my blog (and the mirror article here and at 911blogger), Arabesques blog have had this information up for ages. And I know visitors have been looking at that that particular blog:

http://coljennysparks.blogspot.com/2007/12/black-pr-and-proof-of-paid-internet.html

I remember it was a very popular link. Now I find it a bit hard to believe that the individual who wrote this:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/19400#comment-204934

and appears be following my work, didn't notice this subject was blogged almost 2 years ago at 911blogger no less:

http://911blogger.com/node/12864

Mind, nothing's wrong with a reprint or spreading the news. But honest journalism gives credit where credit is due--a bit like this:

http://www.opednews.com/populum/link.php?id=64686

(cheers for the plug, mate!)

I suppose it could be an innocent oversight. Technically none of my material was used. But since --unlike my blog--there's no indication how this individual researched this topic--it does make people who are paying attention wonder how they found the information...

That this individual is running around the Internets throwing out irresponsible accusations of "agent" hither and thither is bad enough. But no attribution is the limit.

Last word on Advantage Consultants--they are still a registered domain:

Quote:
Domain ID:D108627520-LROR
Domain Name:ADVANTAGECONSULTANTS.ORG
Created On:18-Nov-2005 01:05:05 UTC
Last Updated On:24-Jan-2009 21:46:39 UTC
Expiration Date:18-Nov-2009 01:05:05 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:b9a72f9f2c6136a2
Registrant Name:Eduard Lobanovskiy
Registrant Organization:Vision Five Designs
Registrant Street1:7146 Gurley ct
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:North Port
Registrant State/Province:FL
Registrant Postal Code:34287
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.9416267110
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:info@vi5ion.com
Admin ID:b9a72f9f2c6136a2
Admin Name:Eduard Lobanovskiy
Admin Organization:Vision Five Designs
Admin Street1:7146 Gurley ct
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:North Port
Admin State/Province:FL
Admin Postal Code:34287
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.9416267110
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:info@vi5ion.com
Tech ID:b9a72f9f2c6136a2
Tech Name:Eduard Lobanovskiy
Tech Organization:Vision Five Designs
Tech Street1:7146 Gurley ct
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City:North Port
Tech State/Province:FL
Tech Postal Code:34287
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.9416267110
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email:info@vi5ion.com
Name Server:NS2.V5WEB.COM
Name Server:NS1.V5WEB.COM



The domain for the first Winningcampaigns site was reregistered under proxy:

Quote:
Domain ID:D149260359-LROR
Domain Name:WINNING-CAMPAIGNS.ORG
Created On:28-Sep-2007 14:54:12 UTC
Last Updated On:29-Sep-2008 13:51:17 UTC
Expiration Date:28-Sep-2009 14:54:12 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Wild West Domains, Inc. (R120-LROR)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:GODA-037984980
Registrant Name:Registration Private
Registrant Organization:Domains by Proxy, Inc.
Registrant Street1:DomainsByProxy.com
Registrant Street2:15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Scottsdale
Registrant State/Province:Arizona
Registrant Postal Code:85260
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.4806242599
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:+1.4806242598
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:WINNING-CAMPAIGNS.ORG@domainsbyproxy.com
Admin ID:GODA-237984980
Admin Name:Registration Private
Admin Organization:Domains by Proxy, Inc.
Admin Street1:DomainsByProxy.com
Admin Street2:15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Scottsdale
Admin State/Province:Arizona
Admin Postal Code:85260
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.4806242599
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:+1.4806242598
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:WINNING-CAMPAIGNS.ORG@domainsbyproxy.com
Tech ID:GODA-137984980
Tech Name:Registration Private
Tech Organization:Domains by Proxy, Inc.
Tech Street1:DomainsByProxy.com
Tech Street2:15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Tech Street3:
Tech City:Scottsdale
Tech State/Province:Arizona
Tech Postal Code:85260
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.4806242599
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:+1.4806242598
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email:WINNING-CAMPAIGNS.ORG@domainsbyproxy.com
Name Server:NS1.GOTVHOST.COM
Name Server:NS2.GOTVHOST.COM


A mirror domain confirms info Lunkhead posted at Dkos:

Quote:
Domain ID:D104536776-LROR
Domain Name:WINNINGCAMPAIGNS.ORG
Created On:16-Jun-2004 13:52:55 UTC
Last Updated On:16-Jun-2008 13:20:13 UTC
Expiration Date:16-Jun-2009 13:52:55 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com, Inc. (R91-LROR)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:GODA-040104342
Registrant Name:ALAN L. LOCKE
Registrant Organization:WINNING CAMPAIGNS
Registrant Street1:217 S VIRGINIA AVE
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:FALLS CHURCH
Registrant State/Province:Virginia
Registrant Postal Code:22046
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.7035345645
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:design@americangotv.com
Admin ID:GODA-240104342
Admin Name:ALAN L. LOCKE
Admin Organization:WINNING CAMPAIGNS
Admin Street1:217 S VIRGINIA AVE
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:FALLS CHURCH
Admin State/Province:Virginia
Admin Postal Code:22046
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.7035345645
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:design@americangotv.com
Tech ID:GODA-140104342
Tech Name:ALAN L. LOCKE
Tech Organization:WINNING CAMPAIGNS
Tech Street1:217 S VIRGINIA AVE
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City:FALLS CHURCH
Tech State/Province:Virginia
Tech Postal Code:22046
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.7035345645
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email:design@americangotv.com
Name Server:NS1.WINNINGCAMPAIGNS.ORG
Name Server:NS2.WINNINGCAMPAIGNS.ORG


For the record, they were spooked--in 2007 by Lunkhead at Daily Kos. Not because of any badly researched, johnny-come-lately blog in 2009.



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bump- this thread will always deserve one as long as "these muthafuckn trolls are on this muthafuckn blog". That said, I don't personally have evidence anyone's getting paid to distract, divide, disrupt and discredit the 9/11 truth movement- much of the BS may well be posted by volunteers and 'useful idiots'.

Anyway, I originally meant to post this this article as a link in this thread, but wasn't able to that day, for some reason- this is evidence SOME people on the internets ARE getting paid to pose and provoke:

Attorney: FBI trained NJ blogger to incite others
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9A5GCC80&show_article=1
"Prosecutors have acknowledged that Turner was an informant who spied on radical right-wing organizations"

Also see Brandon Darby- FBI informant and RNC provocateur
http://www.brandondarby.com/

And this comment by James Redford on Jon Gold's post of the above article has a ton of additional links:
The Best Enemies Money Can Buy; or, The Business of Hate
http://www.911blogger.com/node/20918#comment-214410

And this is a very interesting 'Freudian slip' comment at 911Blogger.com by user orAntilogic last year, on the controversy caused by Jason Robo posting a “9/11 was an inside job” sticker on a plane. Whether it was a 'slip', intentional, or he simply misspoke, it does seem likely some 'real' people have disassociated cuz of all the BS that's been associated with '9/11 Truth':

“This sort of thing...
http://www.911blogger.com/node/16888#comment-193656
“Is why I'm an EX-Truther. One of the most effective tactics we've found against various ideologically motivated groups around the world is to convince them they're associated with hair-brained nut-jobs. Convince people that their movement lacks credibility and they'll find better things to do (if they can).”
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for bumping this. This individual

http://www.911blogger.com/user/5176

still seems to think they can steal credit/attribution from Lunkhead at DKos.

What's particularly weird about the whole thing is their mate , "WillyLoman" slagged my article when it came out--repeating some of whoretown's material--, but when that individual used the same sources with the same subject, over a year later, he gushed all over it.

BTW--in the real world--even online--plagiarism is NEVER forgiven.

Its the one thing real artists and writers are hardcore about. You'd think someone writing for a rag would know about that...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weird how some people seem intent on discrediting themselves... it could be they just don't know better- but maybe not. As you point out, someone with a journalism background has presumably been educated on these things. But her history at 911blogger is just loaded with 'gems'.

Same with Willy- one example- after i posted the link to your 'Black PR' article at opednews, he told me, "I said it before and I will say it again. Stop trying to limit peoples discussions on the evidence of 9/11."
http://www.opednews.com/populum/link.php?id=64686&show=votes

How ironic; telling me to stop exercising my right to express my POV on the internets- cuz in his view, MY doing so is interfering with others ability to do the same???

Seems my intro to the link got him a bit extra upset; he quoted it to preface his statement above:
"Ever wonder where some of "those" commenters are coming from? It may not just be a hobby for them. They may not have a personality disorder. They may be "Rent-A-Trolls"."

Of course, I can see why he might think it was directed at him, considering I posted it not that long after he posted dozens of vicious comments on my threads, beginning w/ my 'Pentagon Hole' Psyop article over there ; )

Cheers, Jenny.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rancho Truth wrote:
Weird how some people seem intent on discrediting themselves... it could be they just don't know better- but maybe not. As you point out, someone with a journalism background has presumably been educated on these things. But her history at 911blogger is just loaded with 'gems'.

Same with Willy- one example- after i posted the link to your 'Black PR' article at opednews, he told me, "I said it before and I will say it again. Stop trying to limit peoples discussions on the evidence of 9/11."
http://www.opednews.com/populum/link.php?id=64686&show=votes

How ironic; telling me to stop exercising my right to express my POV on the internets- cuz in his view, MY doing so is interfering with others ability to do the same???



Very ironic. And like I said, he gushed all over the "new" article, that was making basically the same point. I've got a screen shot of it somewhere--I'll post it if I have a mo.
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