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truthmove
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 Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:49 am Post subject: 2008 Declaration: Standards and Strategies for 9/11 Truth |
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Hello Truth Action people! We are finally announcing the Declaration concerning disinformation, disruption, and movement responsibility...
After months of cooperative effort, we are proud to announce "The 2008 Declaration: Standards and Strategies for 9/11 Truth." Many truth movement veterans came together after the 9/11/07 anniversary with concerns over the increasing influence of disinformation, disruption, partisanship, and irresponsible representation within the movement. This document is our response.
As we state clearly in the Declaration, we simply aim it to be a guide for others, not a divisive list of commandments. It's the best we could come up with, we hope it does some good.
The authors and supporters listed are not the only ones who participated in the creation of this Declaration. Some names may be added or removed as per individual request. We invite everyone who so wishes, to host or link to the Declaration.
Comments and questions are welcome on the TruthMove Forum, or post them here, of course. |
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funhouse1970
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Almost.
Your "list of associations that are damaging and marginalizing to the movement" includes:
"Anti-environmentalism (i.e. “global warming is a hoax” or “the environment is fine; humans aren’t causing significant damage”)"
Anti-environmentalism is a misnomer. The argument is misrepresented -- should read "manmade global warming is a hoax."
Otherwise it looks good. My two cents. |
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Real Truther
Joined: 16 Feb 2007
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Location: Northeast US
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| truthmove, this is a transparent attempt at top-down management by someone who wants to control the movement. guess what? it stands rejected. neither you nor anyone else has any authority or even credibility with regard to this movement. the people you call veteran truthers have proven themselves, like Nicholas Levis for example, to be limited hangout LIHOP shills. All the so-called disinfo you complain about is "false flag" stuff designed to make the shills look good. Good luck with the campaign, you'll need it and then some. |
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Jon Gold
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Truther wrote: | | truthmove, this is a transparent attempt at top-down management by someone who wants to control the movement. guess what? it stands rejected. neither you nor anyone else has any authority or even credibility with regard to this movement. the people you call veteran truthers have proven themselves, like Nicholas Levis for example, to be limited hangout LIHOP shills. All the so-called disinfo you complain about is "false flag" stuff designed to make the shills look good. Good luck with the campaign, you'll need it and then some. |
It's not a campaign. It's simply a series of suggestions that you can either incorporate into your activism, or not. Why the need to refer to Nick Levis as a "limited hangout LIHOP shill?" |
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Real Truther
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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hey look who's here! it's Jon Gold!! He's like the most famousest truther ever! Does SUCH great work with the families, and promoting Sibel Edmonds...
whodathunk he'd show up to defend the other LIHOP limited hangout shills! |
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Jon Gold
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Truther wrote: | hey look who's here! it's Jon Gold!! He's like the most famousest truther ever! Does SUCH great work with the families, and promoting Sibel Edmonds...
whodathunk he'd show up to defend the other LIHOP limited hangout shills! |
Wow, you've really gone off the deep end. What's it like in your world? Is the sky blue? |
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Real Truther
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Ha! Naw, Jon. To quote your pal John Albanese (LIHOP legend that he was) I'm just taking things to the next level. I'm calling you and the others on your BS. Are you still not sure if WTC7 was a controlled demolition Jon? It's so hard to tell whether you're being dishonest when you claim to believe stupid shit...  |
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Jon Gold
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Truther wrote: | | Ha! Naw, Jon. To quote your pal John Albanese (LIHOP legend that he was) I'm just taking things to the next level. I'm calling you and the others on your BS. Are you still not sure if WTC7 was a controlled demolition Jon? It's so hard to tell whether you're being dishonest when you claim to believe stupid shit... |
Believing whether or not Controlled Demolition took place at the WTC is not a pre-requisite for being a member of the 9/11 Truth Movement last I checked. Only in your world. What color is that sky again? |
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Real Truther
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Ha! Are you actually ashamed to flat out say you don't Jon? That's hilarious. No, you're right, the standards for being considered a valuable member of the truth movement by you are obviously not all that high... Say hi to Lucky Larry for us all in demolition land! |
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Jon Gold
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Truther wrote: | | Ha! Are you actually ashamed to flat out say you don't Jon? That's hilarious. No, you're right, the standards for being considered a valuable member of the truth movement by you are obviously not all that high... Say hi to Lucky Larry for us all in demolition land! |
Will do. |
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big_d
Joined: 24 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Jon Gold wrote: | | Believing whether or not Controlled Demolition took place at the WTC is not a pre-requisite for being a member of the 9/11 Truth Movement last I checked. |
No, but denying reality all while pushing the limited hang-out agenda sure sets off a few alarms. |
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Jon Gold
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| Real Truther wrote: | | Come on, Jonny, explain why you don't think the towers were demolished with explosives. In other words, justify your claim to believing in utter BS. What is your obsession anyway with villifying muslims? Haven't they been lied about enough? Haven't enough of them died for you to be happy yet? If you can't explain why you don't think the twoers were demolished with explosives, can you at least clue us in to why you're such an anti-arab and anti-muslim bigot? |
Some of us know better than to think of those that may have participated in the attacks as Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Episcopalians, Baptists, etc...
We prefer to think of them as criminals. It was, after all, a criminal conspiracy. Not a Zionist conspiracy. Not a Neocon conspiracy. Not a Radical Islamofascist conspiracy. A criminal conspiracy. A crime was committed. And we know that if any of the criminals involved were affiliated with any of the above mentioned religions, that does not mean you should automatically blame everyone else that is a part of said religion. The same goes for nationality and country.
As Donna Marsh O'Connor so eloquently said in front of the United Nations, "Is one Arab the same as all Arabs? How dare that work in America!"
It doesn't or shouldn't work that way in the America I'm a part of. You must be thinking of the America in your world. |
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Col. Jenny Sparks
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| Jon Gold wrote: | | Episcopalians |
Oh no! Not the Episcopalians! 
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truthmover
Joined: 19 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: RT violates the guidelines of this forum on a regular basis. |
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RT wrote elsewhere:
| Quote: | | The best policy is of course to allow all topics but to strictly enforce a code of civil dialogue. |
RT wrote here:
| Quote: | | Truthmove, this is a transparent attempt at top-down management by someone who wants to control the movement. guess what? it stands rejected. |
That is inaccurate and also self-contradictory. In this comment it is you who is attempting to speak for others. Since when do you speak for everyone here?
RT wrote here:
| Quote: | | The people you call veteran truthers have proven themselves, like Nicholas Levis for example, to be limited hangout LIHOP shills. |
YT wrote elsewhere regarding a post of yours:
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The above post is a solid example of what I don't want here. Implying that someone is a spy or a shill, attacking them for their post count, etc. Posts like that will be copied, removed and sent to the author along with a warning. Second offense gets an account suspension. |
These comments of yours violate the recommended forum guidelines here, and it sounds like you are on shaky ground here with the moderators. Not everyone who participated in the creation of this document is listed, and you are insulting people who have demonstrated a strong commitment to this movement.
And from a logical standpoint, you are pushing logical fallacies. Attacking the messenger isn't going to win you any points. According to the declaration, I will now continue to ignore you as I have for so long.
Edit: It appears that RT has had his account deactivated. I can certainly see why. |
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Adam1
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:18 am Post subject: Re: RT violates the guidelines of this forum on a regular ba |
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| truthmover wrote: | | It appears that RT has had his account deactivated. I can certainly see why. |
 
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