Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:13 am Post subject: The Big Fence: Stop the "Noplaner Wars"
Quote:
"...Listen close to everybody’s heart
And hear that breaking sound
Hopes and dreams are shattering apart
And crashing to the ground
I cannot believe my eyes
How the world’s filled with filth and lies
but it’s plain to see evil inside of me
is on the rise..."
And thats where many of our heads/hearts have been for seven years since 911. Not "evil" exactly, but angry. First at the attacks, then finding we were fooled. Anger, and its still there.
Don't get me wrong. I've no problem with healthy anger. Like many "negative" emotions, it tells you when something's wrong. And gives you energy to do something about it. But if your anger's not informed--or directed at the wrong target--you'll make more problems than you'll solve. And needless to say you'll be the most malleable puppet for anyone who wants to keep you from applying your anger effectively.
We say we understand "divide and conquer" but we don't really understand the subtlety until its experienced. We've seen the progression on every side of every political debate:
Quote:
We believe X to be true
We must expose X
Anyone who doesn't believe X is trying to thwart us
Ergo they are working with the enemy
It's human and has basis in reality: the people who are the enemy ARE trying to thwart us. But its doesn't automatically follow every soul who disagrees for whatever reason is "on the mole".
What does this have to do with the "No-planer war"? By which I mean the vicious personal attacks that have been thrown back and forth between "planehuggers" and "noplaners" almost since "no planes" became an issue. Who started what doesn't matter at this point. What does matter is real people have gotten caught up in it and are getting attacked as if they are agents. Yes, even by "our" side.
This "war" is not about planes and theories. Its about disruptors who can be on both sides of the "planes"equation. The biggest mistake "they" made that lead to me thinking clearly on this, was the disruptive site "jewmoonhoax.com"(WTCDemolition), where there is nary a noplaner to be found. Then I had to ask my self why I gave a pass to some of these people before it became obvious they were mostly interested in attacking people personally.
Anger. On the rise. Constantly fed and manipulated. At the time it appeared to make sense.
Killtown --who insists on acting like complete trash--likes to make much of people insulting "theories". Well, that's basic adult debate strategy. His strategy--insulting only people, with or without theories, and acting like a cyber staker about it, is unconscionable, immmoral and unethical--not to mention a FAIL debate strategy. But if the real goal is to stir up bad feeling, start fights and pit people against each other, its WIN.
I'd like to ask my fellow "planers" to remember this. I'd also like to ask you make the distinction between Tarpley, Fetzer, Siegel, Grable, Haupt and Killtown all of whom can be proven to have engaged in nasty personal attacks and border line (and not so border line) criminal behavior, and some random private person who is a "no planer" but has behaved decently. Speaking of the later as if they were the former will only add to the bad feeling and make it harder to stop fighting.
Think about this. All the people who believe in ghosts, WMD's, angels and aliens. Most of them are good people, right? And, though we know some of these beliefs were seeded by bollox, we also know insulting these people just because of their belief in the strange isn't going to help anyone, right? It was someone at Truthaction during the KW fiasco who pointed this out: its not the belief thats the problem, its the behavior.
If a flag waving "patriot" --who truly believes there were WMDs--runs a forum where they try to "out" private people who disagree with them, or repeatedly libel(make up lies) about people and encourage others to do the same--then we've moved beyond a difference of opinion. That person is trying to spread nasty trash to keep people angry, feeling threatened and fighting with each other.
Replace "patriot" with either the no planer "icon" Killtown, or the "Zihoper" Real Truther. At this point "jewmoonhoax.com" and 911movement serve the same function: keep nastiness and bad feeling stirred up. Keep that anger flowing. Guarantee that, playing the odds in such an environment, people will keep fighting over things that don't count and get nothing done.
There is one way we can torpedo the whole process: agree to not fight.
See, like I was saying here in this 911Blogger post, we don't need to fight to get what we want. Many noplaners honestly believe if they continue research, they will be able to "crack the case" so to speak. You know what? Good luck to them. I think its a wild goose chase, but thats me. Given they do not attack private citizens or engage in spreading lies and attempted privacy invasion or any other unethical behavior like Killtown & company, I will live and let live.
We "planers" are here for a new independent investigation. We believe "no planes" is pure poison to that goal. Call it politics but thats our reality. The only way we would have to fight, is if someone keeps injecting political poison into the push for a new investigation.
So here's the proposal-- The Big Fence:
1-We keep to our forums, you keep to yours.
2-If we decide to cross post, we do it respecting the differing goals of our forums. We agree to disagree INSTEAD of personal attacks.
3- We respect each others privacy as private persons, and criticize public figures for unethical behavior, not belief.
4- needless to say, theories remain fair game, as is behavior. No one gets a pass on criminal or unethical behavior.
5-remember, banning distruptors is not censorship--its keeping your forum clean. Better a straight honest banning, than festering poison and bad feeling.
This is NOT the Big Tent. The Big Tent is to keep us cramped and fighting with each other. No one gets anything done. But we agree to live and let live, we don't fight, the disruptors will expose themselves.
How? Because they can't NOT fight. It's their job to stir up bollox. I can hear them sputtering right now. No fighting--that's scaring the shite out of them. Notice how disruptors complain the loudest because they can't post at xyz site, which according to them is a "shill site"? No reasonable person would want to post there if they really believed that. It only makes sense if their sole reason was to start fights and keep people from getting things done. No more fighting. Some are already doing this, but I dream of a joint statement if thats possible. Time will tell.
I'd also like to take this time to apologize to any "no planer" I have misjudged as a person for whatever reason. The manipulated anger may be at fault, but we're still all responsible for what we do.
This doesn't make me a saint. This doesn't even make me first.
While browsing, I found a blog thrashing Killtown. There was a post with a screenshot of a noplaner apology. I want to repost it as proof of the good heart that can exist on the other side of the fence. But I'm not going to give any of "them" a reason to attack this person. In part it says:
"I have removed all hit pieces from my channel...I apologize in full"
The circumstances behind this may be more complicated than it appears, but the fact that a noplaner had the moral courage to make this statement to me proves they are not all the enemy. Some are just people--who happen to believe in noplanes.
If we come by our differing beliefs honestly, we can live and let live.
The Big Tent is dead.
Good fences make good neighbors.
Live and let live.
Helping people, don't hurt them.
The enemy is not each other--its the people who had the means motive and opportunity to pull off a false flag--and anyone who wants to keep us fighting each other.
Remember, this is about people. If you're not about helping people, nothing you're doing will count anyway.
It doesn't mean the anger will go away. But we can put it to better use than fighting pointlessly among ourselves....
Quote:
Look around
We’re living with the lost and found
Just when you feel you’ve almost drowned
You find yourself on solid ground
And you believe there’s good in everybody’s heart
Keep it safe and sound
With hope you can do your part
To turn a life around
I cannot believe my eyes
Is the world finally growing wise
Because it seems to me some kind of harmony
Is on the rise...
The following is the goofy video that helped me sort through my feelings about this--FWIW. We've played all roles...
This was part of the first draft, but I cut it--it didn't flow but it is related:
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Should we be concerned about "agents" Of course. But "agents", bonafide tools of the "powers that be", will only be outed by evidence and association--bank statements, money transfers, proven business/government contacts. No "agent" was ever outed because someone screamed "shill" on-line or anywhere else, and certainly not over a disagreement of theories.
Remember it is in the "agents" tool kit to scream shill first and loudest, with no evidence--and usually after their BEHAVIOR is exposed as disruptive. Still, best to leave the "agent" bit out unless there is court worthy damning evidence--the fact they're disruptive is bad enough.
Most of us aren't "agents". Most of us are just people doing what we think is right. And we can all do that without disruption if we don't fight. We don't attack each other. Then what do the bastards have to fall back on? What can they do if we don't fight?
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