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Diane
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Unless we have a lawyer here, we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions, in my opinion. Perhaps William Pepper has looked into these issues and found some loophole that will make these issues not insurmountable? Not being a lawyer myself, I have no idea. All I know is that legal matters are often not completely straightforward and obvious, which is why the legal profession exists in the first place.
We SHOULD be asking questions here, but, before we draw any firm conclusions, let's wait and see what happens and what William Pepper has to say about it. Perhaps someone here can try to speak to William Pepper at the conference this weekend? _________________ Diane
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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I should mention, though, one concern I have about William Pepper.
In "9/11: Press for Truth," William Pepper appears briefly and is described as having done some sort of work for the government of Pakistan. I don't know the details, or whether he has had any sort of ongoing relationship with the Pakistani government, but I see a possible conflict of interest there.
Another thing that someone should ask him about. _________________ Diane
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| Rancho Truth wrote: | | truthmover wrote: | | All that effort and money for very little outcome. |
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I think what it proves is that lots of people in the 9/11 Truth movement are hungry for concrete action toward the movement's stated goal of an independent investigation. Some activists may be satisfied with the idea of using this goal as just a talking point and nothing more. But I would suspect that most people in the movement want something more concrete, and they want it ASAP.
| Rancho Truth wrote: | | After both sides present their arguments on Monday, we'll see for ourselves- and if the NYC Clerks reasons are seen to be valid, Pepper/Person/others w/ legal background who drafted the petition need to be asked why the petition wasn't drafted so that it complied with the law? |
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| Rancho Truth wrote: | | Let it be a lesson, for sure. Diane asked last pg- 2008- if anyone had drafted a proper initiative- tragic that that was never done |
Tragic indeed. Thanks for acknowledging this.
But now I want to ask here: If the other New Yorkers here don't want to try to do a proper ballot initiative, is there some other concrete 9/11-related cause that we could all agree to support and rally around?
For example, perhaps some of us could come up with some concrete action to support whistleblowers such as Sibel Edmonds, and try to rally a lot of New Yorkers to that cause? _________________ Diane
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 2:58 am Post subject: |
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P.S.: About NYC's legal challenges to the ballot initiative: I'm no lawyer, but my suspicion is that Pepper has looked into the legal issues and has a viable strategy for challenging them successfully. I'm no lawyer, but here's my guess as to how he might go about it:
First off, the ballot initiative does indeed deal with the funding question. It involves raising money from private sources. And, from what I remember hearing last year at New York 9/11 Truth, Pepper has claimed that he already has a bunch of rich donors lined up. So the funding may be a non-issue.
If the funding is to come from private sources, this also implies that the commissioners aren't, properly speaking, government officials. Hence Pepper might argue that some aspects of New York State election law, such as the residency requirement, are not applicable. Rather, the commission will be in a legally unprecedented grey area between being a public and private institution. (Well, not totally unprecedented. Sort of like the Federal Reserve System, only on a much smaller scale. A better analogy might be the many small towns that have all-volunteer fire departments and police forces that don't receive public funds.)
As for the jurisdiction issue, well, some important aspects of the crime did take place in New York. NYC is where the largest number of people were murdered, after all. So 9/11 is arguably a local concern, as well as a federal concern. And there have been many crimes that have been prosecuted on both a local level and a federal level. _________________ Diane
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject: About William Pepper |
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I just now watched some parts of 9/11: Press for Truth again.
In the section titled "The Money Trail," William Pepper is described as "an international lawyer and consultant to the Pakistani government." He is presented as an informed source about India's investigation into the money transfer from Omar Saeed Sheikh to Mohammed Atta.
Hence, I now strongly question whether he should be on a commission to investigate 9/11. If the above is accurate, then it sounds like he should be called to testify before such a commission. But should he be a member of the commission itself?
On edit: On the other hand, "consultant" sounds like only temporary employment, so maybe this isn't really an issue. We need to find out more about this. _________________ Diane
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