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The U.S. Government "Finally" Discovers The ISI's Link To Terrorism
Jon Gold
3/30/2009
On March 25th, 2009, the New York Times reported that the Taliban gets "direct support from operatives in Pakistan's military intelligence agency" [...] ACCORDING TO AMERICAN GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS (emphasis mine).
According to President Obama, these revelations "aren't new." As it turns out, he's right.
Over the years, there have been so many reports about the ISI's connection to 9/11, and to terrorism. The U.S. Government has been confronted on this issue on more than one occasion, and yet, NOW they are miraculously discovering this connection.
Are people like Paul Thompson, the makers of 9/11: Press For Truth, and myself, just that much smarter, and better researchers than your average CIA analyst whose job it is to know these kinds of things? The answer to that question is no. And if your average CIA analyst knows of this information, then so does their boss, and their boss, and their boss, and eventually even our elected officials know this. So why then have they ignored this relationship?
In 9/11: Press For Truth, Paul Thompson asks a very pertinent question. "The question to me is, who else was involved with Al-Qaeda? Was Al-Qaeda used as a tool? Just as in the 1980's the Mujahadeen were used by the U.S. Government?"
On April 3rd 2007, ABC News reported that "a Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News." [...] "Pakistani government sources say the secret campaign against Iran by Jundullah was on the agenda when Vice President Dick Cheney met with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in February."
Knowing that, knowing about the allegations of bribery, knowing about Danny Pearl, knowing about the CIA's connection to the ISI, and knowing everything else that has been reported over the years, it's not hard to figure out why the ISI's involvement with terrorism has been ignored. At least, it's not hard to "theorize" about why it has been ignored.
Because the relationship between the ISI and terrorists is advantageous to elements within the U.S. Government, and to other Governments as well.
As Paul Thompson asked, I wonder if anyone took advantage of that relationship for 9/11? In my opinion, it's certainly not out of the realm of possibilities. |
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Anaphora
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:41 am Post subject: Re: The U.S. Government "Finally" Discovers The IS |
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| Jon Gold wrote: |
Over the years, there have been so many reports about the ISI's connection to 9/11 [...]
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I am not aware of evidence linking the ISI to the events of September 11. The assertion that the ISI sent money to Atta is meaningless, since no one has been able to show what that money might have been used for or, more importantly, that Atta was guilty of the crimes of that day. See http://www.aldeilis.net/english/images/stories/911/noevidence.pdf
It seems to me that the endgame many of us have been predicting since 2006 or earlier -- that ultimately a contrived "connection" between Pakistan and 9/11 would be used against Pakistan by the actual perpetrators -- is closer than ever before. We are at war not only with Afghanistan but with Pakistan as well, or so it would seem from Obama's inability to construct a sentence that does not include both. If or when a propaganda boost is needed to get Americans behind a war in Pakistan that extends beyond the "tribal regions," you can expect that the canard about the wire transfer will be front and center. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:21 am Post subject: Re: The U.S. Government "Finally" Discovers The IS |
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| Anaphora wrote: | | Jon Gold wrote: |
Over the years, there have been so many reports about the ISI's connection to 9/11 [...]
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I am not aware of evidence linking the ISI to the events of September 11. The assertion that the ISI sent money to Atta is meaningless, since no one has been able to show what that money might have been used for or, more importantly, that Atta was guilty of the crimes of that day. See http://www.aldeilis.net/english/images/stories/911/noevidence.pdf
It seems to me that the endgame many of us have been predicting since 2006 or earlier -- that ultimately a contrived "connection" between Pakistan and 9/11 would be used against Pakistan by the actual perpetrators -- is closer than ever before. We are at war not only with Afghanistan but with Pakistan as well, or so it would seem from Obama's inability to construct a sentence that does not include both. If or when a propaganda boost is needed to get Americans behind a war in Pakistan that extends beyond the "tribal regions," you can expect that the canard about the wire transfer will be front and center. |
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Jon Gold
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:53 am Post subject: Re: The U.S. Government "Finally" Discovers The IS |
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| Anaphora wrote: | | Jon Gold wrote: |
Over the years, there have been so many reports about the ISI's connection to 9/11 [...]
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I am not aware of evidence linking the ISI to the events of September 11. The assertion that the ISI sent money to Atta is meaningless, since no one has been able to show what that money might have been used for or, more importantly, that Atta was guilty of the crimes of that day. See http://www.aldeilis.net/english/images/stories/911/noevidence.pdf
It seems to me that the endgame many of us have been predicting since 2006 or earlier -- that ultimately a contrived "connection" between Pakistan and 9/11 would be used against Pakistan by the actual perpetrators -- is closer than ever before. We are at war not only with Afghanistan but with Pakistan as well, or so it would seem from Obama's inability to construct a sentence that does not include both. If or when a propaganda boost is needed to get Americans behind a war in Pakistan that extends beyond the "tribal regions," you can expect that the canard about the wire transfer will be front and center. |
And yet, we are told Atta was responsible for 9/11. If Atta is the individual they put forward as the one responsible, and information exists tying that individual to the ISI, and they refuse to acknowledge that information, it might stand to reason that there's a REASON why they aren't. The purpose of this article was to point out the ridiculousness of suddenly discovering the connection between the ISI and "terrorism." They would not be able to use the wire transfer today to invade Pakistan. Do you honestly believe the families who asked about this to the 9/11 Commission would allow them to do so without making a HUGE noise? No, they wouldn't. As far as what the money was spent on... again, he is the one that THEY put forward as the one responsible for 9/11. It DOESN'T MATTER what the money was spent on. That's an old wtcdemolition.com argument that didn't work two years ago when they first used it on me, and it still doesn't work today.
Tell me... do you think of me as being a racist for promoting the ISI's connection to 9/11? By the way, it's not only the wire transfer that connects them to 9/11. Maybe you should read a little bit more.
Here's something to help you out... Fact #20 from my article.
Fact #20
Apparently, Lt. General Mahmood Ahmed, the head of the Pakistani ISI, someone who met with U.S. elected and appointed officials in the weeks before 9/11, on the day of 9/11, and in the days after 9/11, ordered possible MI6 Agent Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh to wire transfer $100,000 to Mohammad Atta. The 9/11 Families' submitted a question to the 9/11 Commission about this incident. Deputy Assistant Director of the FBI's Counterterrorism Division, John S. Pistole stated that their investigation "has traced the origin of the funding of 9/11 back to financial accounts in Pakistan, where high-ranking and well-known al-Qaeda operatives played a major role in moving the money forward, eventually into the hands of the hijackers located in the US." In January 2002, during a visit to India, FBI Director Robert Mueller was told about Saeed Sheikh's involvement in the 9/11 attacks by Indian Investigators. Apparently, "on the eve of the publication of its report, the 9/11 Commission was given a stunning document from Pakistan, claiming that Pakistani intelligence officers knew in advance of the 9/11 attacks." On 3/3/2006, the Friday Times reported that "Pakistan gave tens of thousands of dollars through its lobbyists in the United States to members of the 9/11 inquiry commission to ‘convince’ them to drop some anti-Pakistan findings in the report." This according to FO Official Sadiq. According to the Pakistan paper Daily Times, this story about bribery "triggered" U.S. media interest. I don't remember seeing any mention of this story at all. If you know of an American media outlet that investigated this story, and reported on the results of that investigation, please let me know. On 4/10/2006, Pakistan officially denied the allegations of bribery. “Pakistan has never indulged in the illegal activity of bribing or buying influence anywhere in the world,” said a statement issued by the FO spokesperson here on Sunday. On 10/1/2001, Lt. Gen. Ahmed and Saeed Sheikh may have been involved in another "terrorist attack" together. Recently, it was reported that Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh has been running a terrorist network from prison, and was planning to assassinate President Musharraf. Former ISI Chief Hamid Gul recently defended Lt. Gen. Ahmed regarding the allegations of the wire transfer. On 3/15/2002, Condoleeza Rice is asked a question about Lt. Gen. Ahmed. "Dr. Rice, are you aware of the reports at the time that ISI Chief was in Washington on September 11th, and on September 10th, $100,000 was wired to Pakistan to this group here in this area? While he was here meeting with you or anybody in the administration?" Her response was, "I have not seen that report, and he was certainly not meeting with me." The transcript of this has "ISI Chief" replaced with "--."
But you're right... we should ignore this information. |
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Maybe so but which side of attack or not attack is the truth.
These conflicting stories just to confuse or what?
Who in Pakistan can get news to a Western source? If something does happen? The reports of the 1st strikes cross border took several days to surface.
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And Obama never lies.
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And Obama never lies. |
We're still offering them $7.5B in aid over 5 years on top of the $10B we gave them during the Bush years. If we invade Pakistan using the $100,000 wire transfer as the rallying cry, I will be the first person to admit that I was wrong. What would it take for you to admit that maybe you're wrong, and this information shouldn't be ignored?
Also, seeing as how you used to like to frequent wtcdemolition.com, do you think I am a racist for promoting this information? Do you think I am a "shill" for promoting this information? |
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Aid insentive to behave and route out Taliban Sympathisers? Pretect Oil Pipelines? Shut the F* up and let the US/NATO Military get on with things?
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Oh please NYTimes???
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| Disco_Destroyer wrote: | | Oh please NYTimes??? |
Oh please, anonymous nobodies I've never even heard of from the internet? Debunkers like to play that "your source is irrelevant" game. I'm done. |
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| Jon Gold wrote: | | Disco_Destroyer wrote: | | Oh please NYTimes??? |
Oh please, anonymous nobodies I've never even heard of from the internet? Debunkers like to play that "your source is irrelevant" game. I'm done. |
I'm trying to inject thought of the mind not define fact 
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PS you know all NYTimes editors on 1st name terms then right?
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